Paq drains his opponents is a myth.

[ballgamessuck]

Paq haters love to perpetuate the myth that Manny and his team love to weaken their opponents by "draining" them. The first lie is that Manny drained DLH to 147. True, DLH had not fought at that low of a weight in a long time. However, the real reason that DLH fought Paq at 147 is that DLH had agreed to fight a rematch with Floyd at 147. DLH fought at 150 vs Stevie Forbes in the meantime. Floyd then took a hiatus from the sport instead of taking the rematch, DLH figured Roach didnt know what he was getting into, decided to fight Paq as a replacement for Floyd, and then got his ass severely kicked.
Paq has only fought one fight at a catchweight so far, that being Cotto. Cotto agreed to come in at 145, he had weighed in at 146 in his previous fight so it was no problem. Anyone watching that fight who thinks two pounds would have made a difference is nuts, Paq whips Cotto the same way anywhere from 145 to 154.
Now the self proclaimed "goat" is full of excuses, and Paq wants to fight someone. Margo fought his first fight after the plaster incedent at 154, but announced his intent to return to 147. Then Floyd dropped out of Paq's radar, and the chance for Margo to fight Paq for a title at JMW came up, of course he jumped on it. Now Paq haters are saying that Paq has an unfair advantage because Marg will have to "drain" to make 150. Please explain to me how Margo will have to drain to make 150 when he already had planned to drop to 147.

[megadeth]

Paq haters love to perpetuate the myth that Manny and his team love to weaken their opponents by "draining" them. The first lie is that Manny drained DLH to 147. True, DLH had not fought at that low of a weight in a long time. However, the real reason that DLH fought Paq at 147 is that DLH had agreed to fight a rematch with Floyd at 147. DLH fought at 150 vs Stevie Forbes in the meantime. Floyd then took a hiatus from the sport instead of taking the rematch, DLH figured Roach didnt know what he was getting into, decided to fight Paq as a replacement for Floyd, and then got his ass severely kicked.
Paq has only fought one fight at a catchweight so far, that being Cotto. Cotto agreed to come in at 145, he had weighed in at 146 in his previous fight so it was no problem. Anyone watching that fight who thinks two pounds would have made a difference is nuts, Paq whips Cotto the same way anywhere from 145 to 154.
Now the self proclaimed "goat" is full of excuses, and Paq wants to fight someone. Margo fought his first fight after the plaster incedent at 154, but announced his intent to return to 147. Then Floyd dropped out of Paq's radar, and the chance for Margo to fight Paq for a title at JMW came up, of course he jumped on it. Now Paq haters are saying that Paq has an unfair advantage because Marg will have to "drain" to make 150. Please explain to me how Margo will have to drain to make 150 when he already had planned to drop to 147.

What about insisting that EM fight 2x at 130 when he already knew that he had outgrown it? Where was his offer of a "catchweight" then? Or the "hydration clause" for the fight w/DLH?

FMJ has fought most of his fights having a weight disadvantage and never asked for a catchweight.

[NesNY]

there's always something to pick on...whether it's floyd or pac.
Both sides can try to make sense, and neither will win.

We boxing fans already lost collectively, so what's the point?

Delahoya fought a catchweight 158 max vs. Bhop, and lost. WBA Super World middleweight title, WBC, IBF, WBO middleweight titles all on the line.

Meldrick Taylor fought Terry Norris at a catchweight, 150.5 lbs limit, and lost.

SRL v. Lalonde...SRL wins.

catchweights are nothing new.

[elfag]

Paq has only fought one fight at a catchweight so far, that being Cotto. Cotto agreed to come in at 145, he had weighed in at 146 in his previous fight so it was no problem. Anyone watching that fight who thinks two pounds would have made a difference is nuts, Paq whips Cotto the same way anywhere from 145 to 154.

If 2 pounds makes no difference then why did Balquiao and Roach insist on it? Why did Balquiao damage his legacy over 2 pounds if it made no difference?

If Pac could handle Margo at 154 then why does he insist on fighting him at 150? The reason Pac dont want Margo at 147 is because Arum doesnt have a bogus superwelterweight trinket for him there. Pacroid can claim a 154 belt without ever fighting there. Thats the second belt in a row that he got at a catchweight.


Money May heroically jumped to 154 and faced DLH after he came off a great KO win over Mayorga. Money May weighed in at 150 but he let DLH weigh the full 154.

[NesNY]

Money May heroically jumped to 154 and faced DLH after he came off a great KO win over Mayorga. Money May weighed in at 150 but he let DLH weigh the full 154.

bwahahahha

he "let" someone with much more bargaining power, and the biggest payday of his life, weigh in at 154? lmao.

he had no choice. It's either Delahoya comes in 154 or no fight. he didn't "let" anyone do anything.

[shade darkar]

its not a major problem if he wants to fight at 150lbs. it is a major problem if he is trying to get the title when he is denying his opponent the right he has to weigh in at the full division limit. you cant be calling yourself the junior middleweight champion of the world when your denying your opponent the right to weigh in at junior middleweight. if it goes ahead as title fight at 150lbs, buffer should introduce it not as the junior middleweight championship of the world, but the catch weight championship of the world. its not acceptable to be making up divisions of your own to suit you.

[elfag]

bwahahahha

he "let" someone with much more bargaining power, and the biggest payday of his life, weigh in at 154? lmao.

he had no choice. It's either Delahoya comes in 154 or no fight. he didn't "let" anyone do anything.

All roads lead to Money May. Tell me this, DLH is a boxing superstar, the biggest since SRL. Who did he sell the most PPV's with? Thats right it was with Money May. DLH fought everybody from Tito, Mosley, Whitaker, Chavez, Hopkins, Pac, every legend out there and then some and he sold the most when he fought Money May.

That is proof of Money May's star power.

Money dont make Mayweather, Mayweather makes money.

[NesNY]

its not a major problem if he wants to fight at 150lbs. it is a major problem if he is trying to get the title when he is denying his opponent the right he has to weigh in at the full division limit. you cant be calling yourself the junior middleweight champion of the world when your denying your opponent the right to weigh in at junior middleweight. if it goes ahead as title fight at 150lbs, buffer should introduce it not as the junior middleweight championship of the world, but the catch weight championship of the world. its not acceptable to be making up divisions of your own to suit you.

like I said...Delahoya fought Bhop at 158lbs limit for ALL of Bhop's Middleweight belts.

Bhop was a ****ing man about it and made the weight (albeit, DLH was past prime).

Margarito gets a 30-hr window to rehydrate back to whatever weight he wants. Weigh-in is 4pm Friday, fight is Saturday night, around 11pm.

[AllEyesOpen]

Paq haters love to perpetuate the myth that Manny and his team love to weaken their opponents by "draining" them. The first lie is that Manny drained DLH to 147. True, DLH had not fought at that low of a weight in a long time. However, the real reason that DLH fought Paq at 147 is that DLH had agreed to fight a rematch with Floyd at 147. DLH fought at 150 vs Stevie Forbes in the meantime. Floyd then took a hiatus from the sport instead of taking the rematch, DLH figured Roach didnt know what he was getting into, decided to fight Paq as a replacement for Floyd, and then got his ass severely kicked.
Paq has only fought one fight at a catchweight so far, that being Cotto. Cotto agreed to come in at 145, he had weighed in at 146 in his previous fight so it was no problem. Anyone watching that fight who thinks two pounds would have made a difference is nuts, Paq whips Cotto the same way anywhere from 145 to 154.
Now the self proclaimed "goat" is full of excuses, and Paq wants to fight someone. Margo fought his first fight after the plaster incedent at 154, but announced his intent to return to 147. Then Floyd dropped out of Paq's radar, and the chance for Margo to fight Paq for a title at JMW came up, of course he jumped on it. Now Paq haters are saying that Paq has an unfair advantage because Marg will have to "drain" to make 150. Please explain to me how Margo will have to drain to make 150 when he already had planned to drop to 147.

I don't think it's so much the catchweight in this instant, but the fact that he's fighting for a title...at a catchweight...against somone who's unproven at the jmw and for all we know, shot.

Pacquiao does deserve a title shot, but it's total bull**** for it to come at the hands of a fighter who's most recent name opponent was and "shot, old man" who completely destroyed him.

[NesNY]

from member "knockoutthefat", regarding fights fought below the limit, or at a catchweight.


Hopkins-DLH 158 lbs (but Hopkins decided to come in "light in the ass" and came in at 156)
Whitaker-Chavez 145 lbs
Meldrick Taylor-Terry Norris 150.5 lbs (what a ****ing odd ass catchweight) Norris comes in light anyway at 149 lbs
Hearns-Leonard II 163 lbs
DLH-Forbes 150 lbs
Gatti-Ward I, II, III 142 lbs everytime
Hopkins-Winky Wright 170 lbs
Hopkins-Pavlik 170 lbs
McClarnin-Pancho Villa (Villa's last fight before his death) 121 lbs

Interesting side note: save for Gatti-Ward II & III, the naturally bigger man has won every time (everybody knows Whitaker won the fight w/ Chavez)

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Whitaker and Chavez fought to a Draw. Pernell may have won, but should've lost points for the low blows, making it a draw anyway.