ELLERBE: "Calling to ask what Floyd wants is NOT a negotiation..."

[Dynamite Kid]

To whom it may concern:

Margarito has LITERALLY not won a fight in 2 years. His last win was July 26, 2008.

Today is July 28th, 2010.

So can we stop acting like hes the epic test for Pacquiao. Its a cherry pick.

He had his licensed taken

Its like me saying, Floyd aint a top line fighter going in with JMM, he aint fought since before retiring.

[Vito Corleone]

Okay its a cherry pick, its a cherry pick that Mayweather would not dream of picking, what does that say about it being a test? your man turned down 8mil to fight him, a tune up guy.

Yeah. Mayweather only cherrypicked the guy who DESTROYED Margarito last year.

[Vito Corleone]

He had his licensed taken
.

Is that ALL that happened to Margaret in the past year or so? No fights or anything? Nothing in California? You sure?

[Dynamite Kid]

It wasn't just one loss. Dude took ALOT of career damaging punishment in 2 straight fights. Although, he won one and lost one. Be real. He will NEVER be the same after those fights with Cotto and Shane. So again, to think that is the SAME Tony after the damage he took from Cotto and Shane, is very laughable. Manny isn't fighting the same Tony that Cotto faced. Manny is fighting a Tony that has done NOTHING SINCE the Cotto fight. BIG difference.

Thats an over exaggeration imo, Cotto is the one who took the punishment, the shots Cotto landed did not have full purchase on them as his weight was distributed on his backfoot most of the fight, Malinaggi is someone who took a beating at the hands of Cotto, not Margarito. Margarito took a beating against Shane, but thats one beating, ive seen a 34 year old Holyfield who had been in wars with Cooper, Dokes, Stewart, Foreman, Qawi, Bowe 1-2-3, Mercer, Tillman, De Leon, get knocked out by Bowe, get comprehensively outboxed by Michael Moorer and look like a shot fighter, prompting many to believe he was done at the top level, only for him to come back and whoop the **** outta Mike Tyson.

It will be laughable to you, its what you would like!! to believe in order to discredit any potential win Pac might get before its happened, like i said, tell me whats visibly different about Marg, does his balance look like ****, is he getting hit more, is he getting hurt more, is his stamina going? you have no answe for this because its make believe, its all in your head, what you would like to think.

[Dynamite Kid]

Yeah. Mayweather only cherrypicked the guy who DESTROYED Margarito last year.

Yeah, pitty he waited till he had been out the ring for how long, when he was damn near 40, Cotto beat him in 07, thats right, 3 years!! ago.

Oh, for the record, Cotto got a thourough beating against Pac.

[IMDAZED]

It just seems to me that you are looking for things to level at Pac in order to discredit him, i mean, what precisely did Marg do to unimpress you against Garcia, did he get hit too much? he always gets hit, did he dominate the fight, yes!!, i just dont see on what criteria you would categorize it as a poor performance, that is unless you already had preconceived ideas before the fight started that he was shot, and that despite a decent performance, albeit not spectacular, you would rather push what you would like to believe, that he is shot, rather than what he actually delivered in the ring because that is what you were running with before he fought Garcia.

Discredit? Bull****. I rate Manny higher than Floyd. I think he's an ATG. Doesn't mean I'm going to fake the funk. This is a bull**** bout on all levels. And this is after he took another crappy bout a few months ago. On PPV? **** that.

I could understand it if Marg dropped rounds, if he had a good defense and normally did not get hit, or if his balance looked poor, like a Morales vs Raheem, Rahman vs Wlad, that could of suggested he was a shot fighter, however Margarito does not fall into any of those categories imo.

I never said he was shot. I said he doesn't deserve the shot and isn't the same.

This on top of everything else you level at him, which just happens to coincide with what sticks up for Floyd Mayweather leaves me with questions.

I can substitute bias for objectivity when needed. When Floyd BS's, I'll say its BS. I have - many times. Obviously, you can't separate your personal dislike for him so it stands to reason you believe everyone reasons like you. Well I don't fall into that category.

[Dynamite Kid]

Discredit? Bull****. I rate Manny higher than Floyd. I think he's an ATG. Doesn't mean I'm going to fake the funk. This is a bull**** bout on all levels. And this is after he took another crappy bout a few months ago. On PPV? **** that.


I never said he was shot. I said he doesn't deserve the shot and isn't the same.


I can substitute bias for objectivity when needed. When Floyd BS's, I'll say its BS. I have - many times. Obviously, you can't separate your personal dislike for him so it stands to reason you believe everyone reasons like you. Well I don't fall into that category.

Crappy? who else do you expect him to fight who's own reputation enhances his rep with a win over them, and why?

isn't the same. so what are you saying, that he is not a top fighter anymore? sounds like your just fudging the issue, is he past it or not? not the same= what?, what are you suggesting?


I dont believe everyone reasons like me, i ask legit questions, like would Mayweather have taken a test if Pac intiatially insinuated he was on drugs and demand OST?


Your ideology is that Mayweather also agrees to do testing to so its all good Lol, like cause Mayweather will do them, Pac should do them, only thats after Floyd insinuated he(Pac) needs to take a test otherwise the fight is off because he thinks he is taking drugs/cheating, that Mayweather was willing to pay for every pound he was over the weight so Pac should take the drug test, that is ******ed, lets talk common sense, for a start, Pac has never been caught taking drugs, however Mayweather has!! taken advantage of a fighter by coming in over weight, therefore anyone with a degree of commonsense makes sure he does not pull it on them, only fair right? particularly given that you(Floyd) has previous for this kinda thing, hardly doing Manny a favour is he? yet you think Manny owes him one for it and so should do something that he wants him to do, even though he has never taken drugs? If Pac has previously taken drugs, then!! it sounds fair to say, i pay for every lbs im over and you take a drug test, cant believe i gotta explain this to you, that you cant grasp it.

[IMDAZED]

[Crappy? who else do you expect him to fight who's own reputation enhances his rep with a win over them, and why?

Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams for obvious reasons.

isn't the same. so what are you saying, that he is not a top fighter anymore? sounds like your just fudging the issue, is he past it or not? not the same= what?, what are you suggesting?

We don't know because he's getting a shot he doesn't deserve. We, as in, you and me.

I dont believe everyone reasons like me, i ask legit questions, like would Mayweather have taken a test if Pac intiatially insinuated he was on drugs and demand OST?

We don't know that either. What we DO know is that he agreed to every demand Pac had - demands he's used to giving, not taking.

Your ideology is that Mayweather also agrees to do testing to so its all good Lol, like cause Mayweather will do them, Pac should do them, only thats after Floyd insinuated he(Pac) needs to take a test otherwise the fight is off because he thinks he is taking drugs/cheating, that Mayweather was willing to pay for every pound he was over the weight so Pac should take the drug test, that is ******ed, lets talk common sense, for a start, Pac has never been caught taking drugs, however Mayweather has!! taken advantage of a fighter by coming in over weight, therefore anyone with a degree of commonsense makes sure he does not pull it on them, only fair right? particularly given that you(Floyd) has previous for this kinda thing, hardly doing Manny a favour is he? yet you think Manny owes him one for it and so should do something that he wants him to do, even though he has never taken drugs? If Pac has previously taken drugs, then!! it sounds fair to say, i pay for every lbs im over and you take a drug test, cant believe i gotta explain this to you, that you cant grasp it.

I already said I don't want to discuss this here. Let's stick to Margarito-Pac for now.

[Dynamite Kid]

Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams for obvious reasons.

We don't know because he's getting a shot he doesn't deserve. We, as in, you and me.


We don't know that either. What we DO know is that he agreed to every demand Pac had - demands he's used to giving, not taking.


I already said I don't want to discuss this here. Let's stick to Margarito-Pac for now.

Ah right, two lefty's Mayweather would not consider fighting? tell you what we will do, we will call Manny out for not fighting them, for taking on Marg, whilst not getting on Floyd's case even though he retires/takes time off as and when he wants to avoid these challenges, fights 40 year olds when they have been out the ring for how long, or small fat guys(36) where he can manipulate the weight to give him even bigger advantage than he already has, lets just call out the guy who is perceived to have the better resume through consistently fighting the better opposition.

Still cant get a straight answer from you, old habits die hard eh? can remember talking to you before, your an expert at avoiding questions whilst posing your own, i didn't get a straight answer as to whether Floyd would take the OST if Pac initially insinuated he was a cheat, i did not get a straight answer as to what it was specifically in the Marg/Garcia fight that you saw which led you to believe it was a poor performance.


We don't know that either. What we DO know is that he agreed to every demand Pac had - demands he's used to giving, not taking.


Its okay, like i said, i dont expect real answers from the questions i ask anymore. He would wouldn't he? it aint like you can insult someone with that **** and not take the test yourself, its hardly a noble thing for him do though, which is what you laughably seem to think it is, particularly not when his claims are unfounded/baseless and he is essentially calling his opponent a cheat. Oh boo ***in hoo!, like there would be need for Pac's (weight)stipulation if Mayweather had not tried to cheat someone else, Mayweather will agree cause he has in the past been guilty of that ****, Pac wont because he has been insulted and!! because he has not previously been found guilt of that(drugs), cant believe you dont get this.



I already said I don't want to discuss this here. Let's stick to Margarito-Pac for now.

Discuss what? we are already talking about it are'nt we, what difference does it make where we do it?

[IMDAZED]

Ah right, two lefty's Mayweather would not consider fighting? tell you what we will do, we will call Manny out for not fighting them, for taking on Marg, whilst not getting on Floyd's case even though he retires/takes time off as and when he wants to avoid these challenges, fights 40 year olds when they have been out the ring for how long, or small fat guys(36) where he can manipulate the weight to give him even bigger advantage than he already has, lets just call out the guy who is perceived to have the better resume through consistently fighting the better opposition.

Ok...now back to what you asked me Yeah, two guys Manny would fight that would enhance his legacy. Both were available, one even called him out. He chose the worst possible option instead.

Still cant get a straight answer from you, old habits die hard eh? can remember talking to you before, your an expert at avoiding questions whilst posing your own, i didn't get a straight answer as to whether Floyd would take the OST if Pac initially insinuated he was a cheat, i did not get a straight answer as to what it was specifically in the Marg/Garcia fight that you saw which led you to believe it was a poor performance.

Speculation: Floyd wouldn't have accepted OST if Manny asked

Fact: Floyd accepted every term that was asked by Manny

Discuss what? we are already talking about it are'nt we, what difference does it make where we do it?

We are? I could've sworn every post I made I asked us to get off that. PM if you want to debate it.