Does/would Manny know if he is apparently taking something...............

[Xercen]

You do realise people can decline extra drug tests on the basis of pride since they r tests that are NOT REQUIRED BY THE BOXING BOARD.

the TS is ridiculous. I don't see how a person declining extra drug tests in anyway implies he is taking drugs.

Note. Not required by THE BOXING BOARD lol.

[IMDAZED]

So your saying that its down to Manny, that Roach and Pac's team cant be guilty so they only thing to question, is Pac's integrity, whether you think he would knowingly take it or not? also, to be fair, if he was! taking something dirty, not saying he is, then it would prolly make sense for both Roach and Pac to put conflicting statements out there.

I doubt he meant it literally, he probably meant he does not know the ins and outs of steroids, the difference between one steroid to another etc.

Absolutely. Think about it like this...when has an athlete ever not known that they were taking PEDs?

[Dynamite Kid]

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Bottomline is all atheletes take supplements and get their "levels" checked routinely by doctors during training. I don't think he is on roids nor do really think Floyd is but they, as well as almost all other boxers, take shakes and vitamins and things to help them perform better. Ariza is a strength and conditioning trainer for far more boxers than just Pacquiao and not all of those guys have the speed and stamina that pac does. If Ariza was going to be "juicing" up boxers with some magical formula, I think he would be doing it to all of them and every fighter that Ariza trains would seem unbeatable. Pac has always either been an accumilation puncher stopping guys by longterm damage or a knockout puncher. Have a look at his record and see just how many fights he has won by KO or TKO- he just didn't start doing it in the last 3 years or so. It seems like people just really started to notice Pac with the DLH fight and are like wow, this little fella must be on something, lol. Pac has always been a very, very hard guy to beat and since he doesn't have to starve himself to make weight, takes nutrition seriously, and takes his training seriously, he is a much healthier boxer.......not juiced up on magical meth or whatever the running joke is.

Two interesting posts, agree with the second one to, its a myth that Pac improved after the Diaz fight, if you watch the Barrera fight you will clearly see changes in the way he fights, more head-movement, more patience, anyone who thinks im just saying that should re-watch the Barrera rematch

[IMDAZED]

Two interesting posts, agree with the second one to, its a myth that Pac improved after the Diaz fight, if you watch the Barrera fight you will clearly see changes in the way he fights, more head-movement, more patience, anyone who thinks im just saying that should re-watch the Barrera rematch

Yeah, he's the same guy. Only bigger, stronger, hits harder, and has maintained his stamina and high workrate while moving through divisions.

[Dynamite Kid]

Absolutely. Think about it like this...when has an athlete ever not known that they were taking PEDs?

Isn't it fair to say that athletes (athletics)are more in tune with different types of steroids and the testing procedures they do given that they have to be more stringent? no i know they are not the only ones to have taken drugs, but by and large i would hazzard a guess, most incidents emanate from that sport, which could suggest why they are generally always aware of what they take.

I dont think you can just say there is no smoke without fire.

[Vadrigar.]

Two interesting posts, agree with the second one to, its a myth that Pac improved after the Diaz fight, if you watch the Barrera fight you will clearly see changes in the way he fights, more head-movement, more patience, anyone who thinks im just saying that should re-watch the Barrera rematch

I don't know about you, but I've noticed Pacquaios head movement has deteriorated. It seems very sluggish in his recent fights, but maybe that's the cost of putting on weight.

Also listen to the commentary at the start of the Diaz fight, where Lampley remarks about how Pacquiaos recent performances have shown signs of "wear and tear".
(i'm not sure if the're the exact words)

[IMDAZED]

Isn't it fair to say that athletes (athletics)are more in tune with different types of steroids and the testing procedures they do given that they have to be more stringent? no i know they are not the only ones to have taken drugs, but by and large i would hazzard a guess, most incidents emanate from that sport.

I dont think you can just say there is no smoke without fire.

They are only in tune with it if they are using. If they are not, they don't really give a **** what the testing procedures are, get me? The ones who are juicing always want to be aware and know the intricate details. In boxing, you know when you'll be tested and how many times. Doesn't take much. Doesn't mean the fighter doesn't know if he's getting some sort of enhancer. They always do.

[brick wall]

the peds experts have resurfaced

[KickAzz]

sorry man, but this thread is beating a dead horse

[Dynamite Kid]

You do realise people can decline extra drug tests on the basis of pride since they r tests that are NOT REQUIRED BY THE BOXING BOARD.

the TS is ridiculous. I don't see how a person declining extra drug tests in anyway implies he is taking drugs.

Note. Not required by THE BOXING BOARD lol.

They are only in tune with it if they are using. If they are not, they don't really give a **** what the testing procedures are, get me? The ones who are juicing always want to be aware and know the intricate details. In boxing, you know when you'll be tested and how many times. Doesn't take much. Doesn't mean the fighter doesn't know if he's getting some sort of enhancer. They always do.

Xercen, why the red'K? i cant stand Mayweather, hope Pac knocks his block off, have not been calling Manny a Ped user, infact have suggested i DONT! think he is one, what gives?


Yeah, well i personally dont think Manny would do something like that, his integrity seems genuine from the way he comes across, the things he does to help people, his persona, which is humble imo, of coarse a conspiracy theorist would suggest, why do you think he is like that, but......

I dont know, maybe im being naive, i would like to think he is not taking them, and i dont think he is, if you think is, then your entitled to your opinion to