Remember I told you Bernard would whoop this kids ass, and you didn't listen.

[STEELHEAD]

The only fighters Taylor looked dominant over were

Alex Bunema and Raul Marquez who were both blown up shot welterweights..

Remember how good Gatti looked against Leija....

Thats what Taylors been doin but his never fought a hopkins, and from my memory, Taylor was gettin whooped against Edouard when they fought until he stopped him....

yep, thats how i seen it to with taylor fights.

but hopkins/eastman raised sum questions about b-hop for me.

would taylor beat eastman?dlh?tito?

[RastaSmoker]

I wasn't saying that opposition should be used as a point of argument, because of course Hopkins has better competition. Shasho was just implying that Taylors comp right now was close to that of Hopkins, and that was wrong.

There have been a lot of champions and fighters who have faced top contenders early in their careers and have done very well. Jermaine Taylor is largely fighting NOBODIES and shot little guys. I like Taylor as much as the next guy, but come the **** on....he's fought NOBODY.

Kostya Tszyu, Fernando Vargas, Jeff Fenech, Roy Jones, Oscar De La Hoya...all fought top contenders or champs within 23 fights. Oh yeah, that whole opponents record thing is very deceptive because Taylor has been beating up on a bunch of shot fighters who once had decent records...Hopkins fight with Roy should atumatically wipe out anything Taylors done in his first 23 though.

Yes those guys did fight for belts before 23 fights, but lets look at who they fought.

Roy Jones Jr won his first against Percy Harris for the VACANT WBC Supermiddle weight title. Percy Harris 15-3

Fernando Vargas won his first against Luis Ramon Campas for the IBF lightmiddle weight title. Lets not forget the Campas record was generated from fighting guys with losing records and no skill. Luis Ramon Campas 72-2-2

Oscar De La Hoya won his first against Jimmy Bredahl. DLH being the only test he ever faced up to that point. Jimmy bradahl 16-0.

Kostya Tszyu got his first against a fighter named Jake Rodriguez
Jake Rodriguez 26-2-2

Jeff Fenech won his first title in his third fight acting as a stand in for the original boxer. And yes he won it. Only problem was that he won it against a guy named Junior Thompson. Three months before the fight Thompson was diagnosed as being Some what mentally ******ed, and i am being serious, he scored below 100 on his I.Q. test. Junior Thompson 6-7-0


Now if you ask me the only one on here that is remotely impressive is Vargas, and even his isnt that impressive. And im sorry, Campas, Harris, Bredahl, Rodriguez and Thompson are nowhere near the type of champion that hopkins is. So truth be told, Taylor is stepping up in competition way before these guys did. He is a least willing to fight arguably one of the best fighters in history. The same cant be said for the fighters you named. Yes they won titles early, but who did they really take them from.

A bunch of nobodies, thats who?

[Parodius]

Yes those guys did fight for belts before 23 fights, but lets look at who they fought.

Roy Jones Jr won his first against Percy Harris for the VACANT WBC Supermiddle weight title. Percy Harris 15-3

Fernando Vargas won his first against Luis Ramon Campas for the IBF lightmiddle weight title. Lets not forget the Campas record was generated from fighting guys with losing records and no skill. Luis Ramon Campas 72-2-2

Oscar De La Hoya won his first against Jimmy Bredahl. DLH being the only test he ever faced up to that point. Jimmy bradahl 16-0.

Kostya Tszyu got his first against a fighter named Jake Rodriguez
Jake Rodriguez 26-2-2

Jeff Fenech won his first title in his third fight acting as a stand in for the original boxer. And yes he won it. Only problem was that he won it against a guy named Junior Thompson. Three months before the fight Thompson was diagnosed as being Some what mentally ******ed, and i am being serious, he scored below 100 on his I.Q. test. Junior Thompson 6-7-0


Now if you ask me the only one on here that is remotely impressive is Vargas, and even his isnt that impressive. And im sorry, Campas, Harris, Bredahl, Rodriguez and Thompson are nowhere near the type of champion that hopkins is. So truth be told, Taylor is stepping up in competition way before these guys did. He is a least willing to fight arguably one of the best fighters in history. The same cant be said for the fighters you named. Yes they won titles early, but who did they really take them from.

A bunch of nobodies, thats who?

Don't try to make a point to oldgringo, he's an idiot. He always talks out of his ass & doesn't make any sense.

[oldgringo]

Yes those guys did fight for belts before 23 fights, but lets look at who they fought.

Roy Jones Jr won his first against Percy Harris for the VACANT WBC Supermiddle weight title. Percy Harris 15-3

Fernando Vargas won his first against Luis Ramon Campas for the IBF lightmiddle weight title. Lets not forget the Campas record was generated from fighting guys with losing records and no skill. Luis Ramon Campas 72-2-2

Oscar De La Hoya won his first against Jimmy Bredahl. DLH being the only test he ever faced up to that point. Jimmy bradahl 16-0.

Kostya Tszyu got his first against a fighter named Jake Rodriguez
Jake Rodriguez 26-2-2

Jeff Fenech won his first title in his third fight acting as a stand in for the original boxer. And yes he won it. Only problem was that he won it against a guy named Junior Thompson. Three months before the fight Thompson was diagnosed as being Some what mentally ******ed, and i am being serious, he scored below 100 on his I.Q. test. Junior Thompson 6-7-0


Now if you ask me the only one on here that is remotely impressive is Vargas, and even his isnt that impressive. And im sorry, Campas, Harris, Bredahl, Rodriguez and Thompson are nowhere near the type of champion that hopkins is. So truth be told, Taylor is stepping up in competition way before these guys did. He is a least willing to fight arguably one of the best fighters in history. The same cant be said for the fighters you named. Yes they won titles early, but who did they really take them from.

A bunch of nobodies, thats who?

Vargas defeated Wright, Quartey, Marquez (who wasn't shot at the time), Campas...all before 20 fights. That's damned impressive.

Tszyu beat Bramble, LaPorte, an undefeated Bergman, and then won his title from yes, ill admit, a pretty weak champ in Rodriguez. He was still fighting against good competition and tough gatekeeper type ex-champs from the get go though.

Fenech was a prize fighter from the get go and won his first world title in his 7th fight. He beat an all-time great in Carlos Zarate and another great featherweight in Daniel Zaragoza before 20 fights...even though Zarate was at the end of his career.

De La Hoya was beating great lightweights like Leija and Hernandez...and other good solid fighters like Rafael Ruelas and Juan Molina before 20 fights.

I'm not saying that Taylor doesn't have stones for fighting Hopkins...I'm just skeptical and don't think that he's ready for such a huge jump up in competition so suddenly.

I'm also saying that there HAVE been other great successful fighters that have been thrown in with good competition early. That's what the point of those posts on Fenech, DLH, Vargas, Tszyu were. You said "No fighter would win in the begining of there career if they were expected to fight contenders that a champ is expected to fight" and I disagree but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Moon]

Heres my point. How do you know this about taylor. Has he exibited these traits before. Have you met him and know him on a personal basis. Do you have some keen psycho paranormal extra sensory perception powers that you use to determine fighters and there yet undisplayed weaknesses. If you do, keep talkin, but if you dont please do me this one favor.

SHUT THE **** UP

Never met the man. And , just like you, I don't "know" what's gonna' happen Saturday night.

You seem tense Rasta! Not enough Bud in the stash? Lighten up, please. I'm just making a prediction about Taylor's response to fighting Hopkins. That doesn't mean I have "extra sensory perception". I just expect that Taylor is simply used to having his way, and Hopkins won't let that happen. Taylor's reaction to Hopkins has never been seen before, because he's never faced anybody at Hopkins' level at Middle or any other weight.

My prediction (and that's all it is) is that Taylor won't be able to execute the Executioner, because Taylor is gonna' see and taste something he wasn't expecting, that's all.

[RastaSmoker]

Never met the man. And , just like you, I don't "know" what's gonna' happen Saturday night.

You seem tense Rasta! Not enough Bud in the stash? Lighten up, please. I'm just making a prediction about Taylor's response to fighting Hopkins. That doesn't mean I have "extra sensory perception". I just expect that Taylor is simply used to having his way, and Hopkins won't let that happen. Taylor's reaction to Hopkins has never been seen before, because he's never faced anybody at Hopkins' level at Middle or any other weight.

My prediction (and that's all it is) is that Taylor won't be able to execute the Executioner, because Taylor is gonna' see and taste something he wasn't expecting, that's all.

Cool, i can deal with that. And no the Stash inst low.

[mikefromstu]

Soon you all will learn. The Devil knows all Boxing, you ****.

I remember that you told all of us. I wish I would have listened to u.

[restless_438]

Gameplan for Hopkins: Come prepared in rematch, take back belts, retire as champ

Gameplan for Hopkins:
Come prepared in rematch with Taylor,
take back belts,
retire as champ and solidify his greatness as one of the top middleweights ever

makes since to me, i give ALL THE CREDIT IN THE WORLD TO TAYLOR.. i felt he was losing the fight from about the 7th round on (give or take a round), but the work he did (or lack of work Hopkins did) in the first 3 rounds was JUST...ENOUGH.... to give him the decision although i definately think a draw was the better call.

MAN I can't wait for the rematch now...BTW, the fight was worth the money to me

[Mech.]

bahahaha

Devil you dont know ****,stick to making 20 Vitali threads a day beeatch.

[The Devil]

See what I mean? Now I think you all owe me an apology you ****suckers.

BERNARD IS THE GREATEST MIDDLEWEIGHT OF ALL TIME!