Remember I told you Bernard would whoop this kids ass, and you didn't listen.

[riz]

i dont hate any of them. i dont really like any of them. if i had to be rooting for sum1 i'd pick taylor. reastilically tho, im pickin BHOP

[MetalVomit]

which shouldnt be the case.

taylor isnt "used" to weaker competition, but the argument can be made that he's faced weaker competition, but only slightly, and thats a shame. hopkins is way older, has way more fights, and still nothing much to show for it except to people who buy the hype.

nothing much to show? what about those 21 title defenses and being undefeated for over a decade. Yes he fought a lot of bums, but he beat those bums,and usually very badly. Some people overrate him as far as calling him the best middle ever, but if he's not AT LEAST top ten ever in the middleweight division, I don't know what he needs to do to get props. Beat an untested up and comer in Taylor? That's a bigger accomplishment than having 21 title defenses?


William Joppy, what do you think about Bernard Hopkins?

[oldgringo]

which shouldnt be the case.

taylor isnt "used" to weaker competition, but the argument can be made that he's faced weaker competition, but only slightly, and thats a shame. hopkins is way older, has way more fights, and still nothing much to show for it except to people who buy the hype.

No not only slightly.

Hopkins has FACED (notice faced...that doesn't necessarily mean beaten) Roy Jones, Syd Vanderpool, Antwun Echols, Keith Holmes, Felix Trinidad (yes he was still a pretty good middleweight at the time), Oscar De La Hoya (not much at 160 but a name who could box), Glen Johnson, John David Jackson, Simon Brown...

His faced competition is LEAGUES ahead of what Taylor has faced, and to suggest otherwise is moronic and false. All of those guys outside of Vanderpool (who was a big middleweight) were world title holders at lower/higher weights.

I'll restate that, Taylor is used to WEAK competition. His best comp was a shot William Joppy who was brutally beaten by both Hopkins and Trinidad before him.

[RastaSmoker]

No not only slightly.

Hopkins has FACED (notice faced...that doesn't necessarily mean beaten) Roy Jones, Syd Vanderpool, Antwun Echols, Keith Holmes, Felix Trinidad (yes he was still a pretty good middleweight at the time), Oscar De La Hoya (not much at 160 but a name who could box), Glen Johnson, John David Jackson, Simon Brown...

His faced competition is LEAGUES ahead of what Taylor has faced, and to suggest otherwise is moronic and false. All of those guys outside of Vanderpool (who was a big middleweight) were world title holders at lower/higher weights.

I'll restate that, Taylor is used to WEAK competition. His best comp was a shot William Joppy who was brutally beaten by both Hopkins and Trinidad before him.

Yes hopkins has faced better fighters. But no ****ing ****. He should be facing better opposision. Hes the champ. So you cant use that as an argument. The only way the whole opposision argument can be discussed is if you look at who faced better fighters in their first 23 fights. No fighter would win in the begining of there career if they were expected to fight contenders that a champ is expected to fight. Hopkins didnt. So why knock Taylor.

[Manny_P]

Tayler IS an ANIMAL!!!!!!!! nyahahaha. At least Tayler will get mo accomplishments than Cotto. You jest watch!


side note" I Like Cotto and I aint baggin on him!

[Parodius]

Yes hopkins has faced better fighters. But no ****ing ****. He should be facing better opposision. Hes the champ. So you cant use that as an argument. The only way the whole opposision argument can be discussed is if you look at who faced better fighters in their first 23 fights. No fighter would win in the begining of there career if they were expected to fight contenders that a champ is expected to fight. Hopkins didnt. So why knock Taylor.

Great point, I agree!

[RastaSmoker]

Yes hopkins has faced better fighters. But no ****ing ****. He should be facing better opposision. Hes the champ. So you cant use that as an argument. The only way the whole opposision argument can be discussed is if you look at who faced better fighters in their first 23 fights. No fighter would win in the begining of there career if they were expected to fight contenders that a champ is expected to fight. Hopkins didnt. So why knock Taylor.

Heres there first 23 fights


Taylor oppentents combined records 404-95-23 17/23 knockout

Hopkins Opponents combined records 233-180-11 16/23 knockouts

So if you look at it. Jermaine has faced better opposition then B-hops first 23 fights, so why do people use the opposition thing as a argument.

[oldgringo]

Heres there first 23 fights


Taylor oppentents combined records 404-95-23 17/23 knockout

Hopkins Opponents combined records 233-180-11 16/23 knockouts

So if you look at it. Jermaine has faced better opposition then B-hops first 23 fights, so why do people use the opposition thing as a argument.

I wasn't saying that opposition should be used as a point of argument, because of course Hopkins has better competition. Shasho was just implying that Taylors comp right now was close to that of Hopkins, and that was wrong.

There have been a lot of champions and fighters who have faced top contenders early in their careers and have done very well. Jermaine Taylor is largely fighting NOBODIES and shot little guys. I like Taylor as much as the next guy, but come the **** on....he's fought NOBODY.

Kostya Tszyu, Fernando Vargas, Jeff Fenech, Roy Jones, Oscar De La Hoya...all fought top contenders or champs within 23 fights. Oh yeah, that whole opponents record thing is very deceptive because Taylor has been beating up on a bunch of shot fighters who once had decent records...Hopkins fight with Roy should atumatically wipe out anything Taylors done in his first 23 though.

[STEELHEAD]

and what is hopkins used to? the morrade hakkars?

taylor wins. in fact, taylor would have also beaten tito or DLH, so i dont see this whole p4p greatest **** people say about hopkins.

yes.the thought of taylor being able to beat any of hopkins last several opponents tips the scale to taylor for me especially with the good odds. that 22/1 draw looks interesting.

[Tha Greatest]

The only fighters Taylor looked dominant over were

Alex Bunema and Raul Marquez who were both blown up shot welterweights..

Remember how good Gatti looked against Leija....

Thats what Taylors been doin but his never fought a hopkins, and from my memory, Taylor was gettin whooped against Edouard when they fought until he stopped him....