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  • AintGottaClue
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    #31
    Originally posted by jack_the_rippuh
    Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have TKO'd the p4p #1 of all time.

    yes he would have

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    • ricecrispi
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      #32
      Originally posted by SturmRules
      yes he would have
      I have to disagree on Hagler KO and he's my all time favorite boxer. Marvin would lose a close descision 1st but might figure out Robinson in a rematch and dominate from there because he is better at 160's.

      Hagler was an exchange Fighter. He would exchange shots and counter puncher with the opponents.

      Hagler is not a pressure fighter or Ko artist like everyone think he is from the Hearns fights. He is a boxer with a counter style. He's not a pure pressure fighter even though he always moves forward. He moves at you with pressure but up to a distance where he feel comfortable at a correct distance and correct range to counter. Once Hagler found that correct distance he would always kinda stay at that distance. Textbook footwork and Hagler would stick to his gameplans.

      The textbook footwork was also a weakness because Hagler wouldn't move out of that range that much. Once he found the rythm and distance he kinda stayed at that pace. No fancy footwork or explosive moves. A very displine fighter and classic old schooled fighter in Hagler

      Robinson does like to fight inside and pressure fighters but also in the outside range. The problem Robinson would give Hagler like he did to other fighters is he moves in and out of range a lot and fires from different angle with very fast combos. Fighters are kind of always kinda reacting to Robinson
      and what he does in the ring

      In a 12 round fight Hagler would not have enough time to figure out what to do because he sticks to his gameplan. In a rematch I think Hagler would have a better game plan for Robinson and figure out Robinsons style like he did with man fighters he lost to.

      Robinson would never KO Hagler or even knock him down. I heard a lot of stories when guys sparring with Marvin and would throw their meanest shots and just hurt Marvin but not put him down. Plus he would recover in just a single rest period and be clear as the sky. Guys in the gym would love to go after Hagler just to have the chance to say I had Hagler on one knee. Never happened.

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      • cmason
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        #33
        i'm bound to agree, but robinson really was the best fighter who ever lived, what makes that second fight with randy turpin all the more special was that ray had a bad cut over his eye and was in danger of being stopped because of it, but the ref gave him the 10th and he finished it. speed, balance,power,chin. no-one comes close.

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        • Red_Menace
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          #34
          Sugar Ray Robinson was an insanely tough fighter. The guy fights LaMotta weighing in somewhere between Welter and Jr Welter. LaMotta was a full-on middle in that fight. SRR loses, goes out and fights another guy two weeks later, winning a decision. He then steps back in with LaMotta, with the same weight disadvantage, a week after that, and wins a decision.

          That loss was his ONLY loss in the first eleven years of his career. He went 120-1 or something like that, until 1951.

          Marvin Hagler is also a great fighter, but I still have to give the edge to SRR, but I think it would be a decision type fight.

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