Taylor's trainer hits the nail on the head!

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Huge fan of Haglers , I do admire Hopkins for his longevity and his drive and work ethic . THe fact still remians he dominated the Middleweight division when there was no competition. SO why not move up in weight in challenge your self in stead of fighting boring fights with boring fighters?


ALl the greats have done it why not Hopkins ?

You say you are a huge fan of Hagler and are giving Hopkins flac for not moving up when Hagler stayed at 160 his whole career. That is rather bias my friend and hypocritical on your part.

Haglers career is similar to Hopkins he stayed at 160 and made everyone look putrid. His top fights were among fighters who had came up to meet him.

If Hopkins had chosen to move up he wouldnt have his career built around his miraculous 20 title defenses and that is what Bernards career is all about.

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You say you are a huge fan of Hagler and are giving Hopkins flac for not moving up when Hagler stayed at 160 his whole career. That is rather bias my friend and hypocritical on your part.

Haglers career is similar to Hopkins he stayed at 160 and made everyone look putrid. His top fights were among fighters who had came up to meet him.

If Hopkins had chosen to move up he wouldnt have his career built around his miraculous 20 title defenses and that is what Bernards career is all about.

Great post.

Too many people dog Hopkins for not moving up without realizing some of the all time middleweight greats did the same.

No one should take away from what he's acheived at 160. He wanted to break the record and did, and his conditioning and dedication to be able to maintain his weight and dominace over the last 10 years has been astounding.

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You say you are a huge fan of Hagler and are giving Hopkins flac for not moving up when Hagler stayed at 160 his whole career. That is rather bias my friend and hypocritical on your part.

Haglers career is similar to Hopkins he stayed at 160 and made everyone look putrid. His top fights were among fighters who had came up to meet him.

If Hopkins had chosen to move up he wouldnt have his career built around his miraculous 20 title defenses and that is what Bernards career is all about.

thats why i think bernard is better than hagler. bernard didnt let a feather punching welterwieght come up and beat him.

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thats why i think bernard is better than hagler. bernard didnt let a feather punching welterwieght come up and beat him.

Delahoya was no Sugar Ray.

You're out to luch with that comment.

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Delahoya was no Sugar Ray.

You're out to luch with that comment.

sugar ray is not a god , how do u know oscar couldnt hang with sugar. oscar had all the tools to beat sugar ray.imo

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Delahoya was no Sugar Ray.

You're out to luch with that comment.

DLH vs Leonard would be one great match up it would be very tactical but it all depends on the speed DLH brought and the division they fought in.

Leonard had a good bit of success in every division he fought in (168 is questionable).

Oscar would be able to hang with Leonard most definately but I do believe Leonard would dominate. DLH had a good hook and a pretty good jab. Leonard possessed power/speed and threw every punch beautifully.

It would be interesting but I still give the nod to Leonard, because I do know Rays weakenesses but I dont believe Oscar could exploit them.


Also Oscar has always had trouble with a jab and Leonard had a good jab and was extremely light on his feet. If he fought on the outside and pot shotted DLH he would shut him out. Oscar wouldnt be able to come in.

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thats why i think bernard is better than hagler. bernard didnt let a feather punching welterwieght come up and beat him.

Hagler was strong and fierce, his opponents were afraid when they got into the ring with him and crumbled. He had that intimidation factor because a lot of fighters knew they couldnt knock him out and it would be hell for 15 rounds. Most of Haglers opponents were defeated outside of the ring.

Fighters underestimate Hopkins because he possesses an awkward style and when watching him fight you can point out flaws and he looked vulnerable but once you get inside the ring he changes up everything you have ever seen of him and just confuses you the hell out of you.

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You say you are a huge fan of Hagler and are giving Hopkins flac for not moving up when Hagler stayed at 160 his whole career. That is rather bias my friend and hypocritical on your part.

Haglers career is similar to Hopkins he stayed at 160 and made everyone look putrid. His top fights were among fighters who had came up to meet him.

If Hopkins had chosen to move up he wouldnt have his career built around his miraculous 20 title defenses and that is what Bernards career is all about.

Far from Bias , so are you going to tell me that the competition nowadays at middleweight were anything like the days Marvin Hagler Boxed at middleweight ?

Thats what it sounds like to me , because in my opinion B-hop doesnt win fights against Hearns or Duran .

You could stay at one weight in those days because there was always a tough fight out there to challenge your self.
A fourth of his title Defenses came against to people .
WIlliam Joppy 2 Robert Allen 3

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YOu all are fu***** nuts if you are going to tell me that B-Hop has fought better COMP then HAgler.

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Far from Bias , so are you going to tell me that the competition nowadays at middleweight were anything like the days Marvin Hagler Boxed at middleweight ?

Thats what it sounds like to me , because in my opinion B-hop doesnt win fights against Hearns or Duran .

You could stay at one weight in those days because there was always a tough fight out there to challenge your self.
A fourth of his title Defenses came against to people .
WIlliam Joppy 2 Robert Allen 3

Haglers best fights were against guys coming up and yet you crap on Hopkins for it. That is all I am saying. The competition is probably on the same level. But perhaps we shouldnt talk smack on either era, because Hopkins and Hagler both MADE there opponents look like crap.

Hopkins and Hagler are a close race when comparing records IMO. I wont let nostalgia and the legend of yesterday be influenced in my decision. I just feel that they deserve the same respect for their longevity and their careers are close equals when it comes to competition.


Also I would probably say his biggest challenge was against Mugabi and that was his shining moment in his middleweight career. Same way if Hopkins prevails Taylor will be his shining moment as well. However, if Taylor wins I wont make comparisons to Hagler vs Leonard