How can Pac fans defend Pac not fighting Martinez, Williams or Bradley???

[Dick Buffman]

1) He wants to keep it in house to keep all the cheese for himself

2) He knows Martinez or Williams would probably beat Fudge based on their size

3) I don't think he wants Gary Shaw to cut in on his action, even though he seems to think highly of Bradley.

He's right about one thing though, nobody brings up and develops talent like Top Rank. They are the best in the biz at it.

[Khalid X]

No,no no my dude. You got it wrong.

Fighting Marg or Cotto is not the end of the world but it must be done at 154 and on top of that you dont **** on Martinez, Williams and Bradley after you fight Joshua Cllottey thats where my beef lies.

Who **** on those guys. I didn't and neither did Arum. Arum said they are tremendous fighters but blamed their promoters for them not being more know to the public. I can feel him on that because instead of putting the work in like a Top Rank or GBP, they would rather say a guys name to get recognition. I'm not gonna lie what Arum said was some real **** because Arum and Top Rank work harder than anyone as far as getting there fighters out there.

1. They got Top Rank Live Series, only company with regular tv deal
2. They host streams on their sites so alteast even their untelevised fighters get out there.
3. Arum puts up the money out of his own pocket and takes gambles with those independent PPV's

Now compare this to someone like Goosen who hasn't promoted Williams for ****. For him to not put in the work and piggy back off of Arum and Top Rank is kinda ****ed up. Can you honestly say Goosen has done a good job in making Williams know to the casual fans? Me and you both agree he has an exciting style, has a great record and is extremely talented? Why, after beating guys like Martinez and Margarito he is still unknown amongst casual fans? Again Arum was 100% right IMO when he made that comment.

[mathed]

This is unreal. All of you guys coat ride Arums ****ty comments.

When......

Pac just fought Joshua Clottey a guy who lost his last fight to a guy Pac ****d.

And a guy with no fanbase at all.

Oh and Pac made 15-20 Million with Clottey.

So whats Bobs excuse for Pac not fighting Martinez, Williams or Bradley again?

Un ****ing real.

Man you being a BIG Williams fan and supporter should not have even made a thread like this.........your boy ran to another division to fight 147 pounders when the Martinez rematch is on the table with over a mill to make from the fight......talk about a duck

Floyd did not fight any of those guys but I have never said anything about him not fighting those guys. But Floyd has no legit reason to not fight Pac......May sr can train him just as he did when Floyd was younger....I guess Floyd saw how helpful his daddy was in training Hatton

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Who **** on those guys. I didn't and neither did Arum. Arum said they are tremendous fighters but blamed their promoters for them not being more know to the public. I can feel him on that because instead of putting the work in like a Top Rank or GBP, they would rather say a guys name to get recognition. I'm not gonna lie what Arum said was some real **** because Arum and Top Rank work harder than anyone as far as getting there fighters out there.

They got Top Rank Live Series, only company with regular tv deal
They host streams on their sites so alteast even their untelevised fighters get out there.
Arum uses money out of his own pocket and takes gambles with those independent PPV's

Now compare this to someone like Goosen who hasn't promoted Williams for ****. For him to not put in the work and piggy back off of Arum and Top Rank is kinda ****ed up. Can you honestly say Goosen has done a good job in making Williams know to the casual fans? Me and you both agree he has an exciting style, has a great record and is extremely talented? Why, after beating guys like Martinez and Margarito he is still unknown amongst casual fans? Again Arum was 100% right IMO when he made that comment.

This would all shut me down if Pac didnt fight Clottey, who isnt a draw and made 15-20 Million with him. Thats why Bob piggybacking statement holds no weight. Clotey is the ultimate piggyback.

Pacquiao is selling 700k plus from here on out no matter who he fights. He'll have 15-20 Million dollar paydays the rest of his career. Thats why if Arum is talking cash I cant take him serious because Clottey was Pacs last opponent.

Again if hes going to fight Cotto or Marg ok thats one thing but Bob cant act like those are the only 2 guys available. You and I both know that that Cotto and Marg should be fighting each other.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Man you being a BIG Williams fan and supporter should not have even made a thread like this.........your boy ran to another division to fight 147 pounders when the Martinez rematch is on the table with over a mill to make from the fight......talk about a duck

Floyd did not fight any of those guys but I have never said anything about him not fighting those guys. But Floyd has no legit reason to not fight Pac......May sr can train him just as he did when Floyd was younger....I guess Floyd saw how helpful his daddy was in training Hatton

What are you talking about? Williams offered Martinez 2 scraps one right after their first fight and Sergio turned down both bro.

Paul Williams has a fight scheduled at WW? News to me. Last I checked they are in talks for him to get a chance to be Lineal 160 Pound Champion on October 2nd vs. Martinez.

When did Floyd EVER say that he cant fight without Roger? Roger is a GREAT trainer. But i could train Floyd to be Pacquiao. Hes really just that good.

[ELPacman]

I can defend Pac not fighting those guys because I thought his career was ending at 130lbs. All this has been a bonus for me and many of his older hardcore fans. I honestly don't give a **** who he fights at this point, but if it's not Fraud, I say who cares? Just retire. He's given more than enough for his fans and we can't ask for more. Only the haters that want to see him lose.

[mathed]

What are you talking about? Williams offered Martinez 2 scraps one right after their first fight and Sergio turned down both bro.

Paul Williams has a fight scheduled at WW? News to me. Last I checked they are in talks for him to get a chance to be Lineal 160 Pound Champion on October 2nd vs. Martinez.

When did Floyd EVER say that he cant fight without Roger? Roger is a GREAT trainer. But i could train Floyd to be Pacquiao. Hes really just that good.

Last I checked he was waiting for a rematch with Pavlik and Pav ran away then he tried to make the rematch with Williams and Williams' team said not now, and they were trying to drop back to 147 to get a title there.

The Roger thing is the latest excuse for Floyd not taking the fight Bert Sugar said it, Dan Rafael said it, what's his face last night on FNF said the same thing (forgetting his name right now but the light heavyweight boxer that has been doing the commentary as of late...oh BJ Flores..just remembered)...they all said that the most "likely" reason was that Floyd was waiting to see the outcome of Roger's court case before committing to the fight.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I can defend Pac not fighting those guys because I thought his career was ending at 130lbs. All this has been a bonus for me and many of his older hardcore fans. I honestly don't give a **** who he fights at this point, but if it's not Fraud, I say who cares? Just retire. He's given more than enough for his fans and we can't ask for more. Only the haters that want to see him lose.

Hes in his prime and his legacy is not over.

BTW I already seen him lose. I want to see him challenged. What does beating Cotto to death again proves?

[Bong Bong]

How can you defend Floyd if he fights one of those 3 and not Manny

[sicko]

it is a huge double standard when it comes to Pacman obviously as well as Top Rank fighters in general, people want Berto to fight guys like Mike Jones even though Mike Jones doesn't have much of a name just yet and when Berto comes out and say "Who Is Mike Jones" people automatically start to say "He is afraid of Mike Jones"

same with Bradley, just because he doesn't want to fight Alexander RIGHT NOW because the Money is not their for what could potentially be a HUGE FIGHT if they wait, people turn that into "Bradley is scared" but when Arum comes out and say "Pacman will not fight this or that fighter" then all of a sudden people switch things up and say "Well those fighters don't draw anyway"

Clottey sure did get a fight and Clottey has never been a Draw