Kelly Pavlik-Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. a possibiilty for Dec. 4th

[Spray_resistant]

Spray I usually like your posts but come on man, if Jr. beats Pavlik he deserves all the respect and more.

It's not as if Pavlik was destroyed against Martinez, he won the middle rounds, dropped Martinez and fought hard until the end. Isn't Martinez an elite fighter that took P Will to the brink?

We can't have it both ways, if Jr. beats Pavlik, especially a guys who is naturally bigger and Roach already said he will try and fight at 154 to make Jr. even stronger and then agree to 160.....I think it would be a huge win for Jr.

It would give Jr. a great name in his resume and give Pavlik and opportunity to win on a big stage with a guy who will bring in viewership.

It would bump Jr up from mediocre to good if he beat Pavlik, but I have been saying that alot lately about the MW division and how it has been devoid of elite fighters since B-hop got old.

I mean a SWW is the MW champion right now.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

It would bump Jr up from mediocre to good if he beat Pavlik, but I have been saying that alot lately about the MW division and how it has been devoid of elite fighters since B-hop got old.

I mean a SWW is the MW champion right now.

I hear what your saying but your logic is a little bit twisted. We are talking strictly Jr. here, if he beats Pavlik, this will be a huge win for him. Say what you will but Pavlik is a strong puncher and I honestly can't believe that Roach and Jr agreed to this, it's a very risky fight.

Remember, Jr. can't lose because of the critics and everyone waiting for him to fail.

I think this is a testament to Roach's training and how he believes he can mold this kid from now till then.