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What king of crack is Goosen and Team Williams smoking........Pacman willl never fight him.... he brings no money, no belts, or fans..... If Pac doesnt fight floyd and Margs doesnt get his license then we all know the only feasable fight will be for cottos 154 belt..... Pwill has the opportunity to fight for the middle weight belt and finally be a real champion of a division but chooses to run..... Pacman will Martinez before he wasted his time with Pwill.... Stop being a ***** and go create your own fame by fighting for the Middle wieght strap
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Originally posted by jkaisen41 View PostYou act like Floyd is a natural 147 pounder - the dudes you are listed are guys who started out at 47, went up and came back
Yeah, right - but Williams can jump classes because even though he started at 47 he is even taller then most MW's dude - that's the point... he is a freak of size, ain't nothing to do with skill or something.
Shane Mosley has a different build then Mr. Mayweather and by the way Mosley ain't did that great at 54
He would have fought DLH even at 174 - because DLH was is ticket to becoming a star
It's nice that you have an different view on weight classes, it ain't matches mine but it's ok - if you have any clue about boxing of course you know that many fighters jump a class - but if I'm coming from 130 (and he made the limit pretty easily for a long time) you can't tell me that I arrive at 147 and simply jump one weight class like it is nothing and fight a guy like Vargas at 154 - I'm sorry to disagree but I have an different stance on that - he fought once at 54 and only because he had to - he ain't looked good at that weight - 47 is his ceiling and his 4th weight class
The only who holds true is Margarito, all the others are false - by the way 2005 as he came to 47 - most of the guys you listened were already badly fading or past prime (Trinidad, Vargas) I really don't see where the point is and actually I really cannot remember anyone ever talking about a fight with Mayweather vs. Winky, Forrest, Trinidad, Vargas, P-Will - there were never any negotiations or whatever - and if you base your ducking theory on your personal liking then he would have ducked everybody who he hasn't fought - but that would go out to every boxer - I can't remember that any boxer fought every fighter in and around his weight class (Weighter welt is 140.01 - 147 pounds and not 140 - 154 dude - I understand your don't like him but to start fantasy weight classes to prove your point is a little too much - at least you should stay true to the facts
Paul Williams actually started out as a middle-wt fighting around 155-158 so like Margarito he really a jr-middle to middle-wt where Floyd and Shane started out at 130 and 135. Everything Floyd is doing now is extraordinary because he's really at best 140-144 which in the day of Leonard and Hearns he would've more than likely been a jr-welter and had to deal with Aaron Pryor. Paul, Cheato and Clottey come in weighing 170+. Those dudes are really middle-wt drying out to fight the smaller guys but if they make 147 they should be able to fight there.
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Originally posted by Sugar Q View PostPaul Williams actually started out as a middle-wt fighting around 155-158 so like Margarito he really a jr-middle to middle-wt where Floyd and Shane started out at 130 and 135. Everything Floyd is doing now is extraordinary because he's really at best 140-144 which in the day of Leonard and Hearns he would've more than likely been a jr-welter and had to deal with Aaron Pryor. Paul, Cheato and Clottey come in weighing 170+. Those dudes are really middle-wt drying out to fight the smaller guys but if they make 147 they should be able to fight there.
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Pac should not fight Wiliiams, especially if Floyd ducked him constantly. Williams does kind of cheat with his height through divisions. He belongs in at least the middleweight or above classes, but if he goes up there, we know he will get punished like his name says.
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if pac fights williams or martinez that would be the best way to come back from that mosley move that floyd pulled. if pac fights any of them and wins(which i doubt) he wouldve beaten a legitmate fighter and probably could pull negotiations back to 50-50 based on the sales.
I doubt it would happen though pac is too protected by arum and is allowed to only fight in-house so cotto probably will be his next and last fight and it will earn him little to know fanfare because HE ALREADY EFFING BEAT COTTO.
idk maybe cotto could beat him now but that will be hard to convince any1 except die hard ricans and steward.
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Originally posted by badecisioncotto View Postif pac fights williams or martinez that would be the best way to come back from that mosley move that floyd pulled. if pac fights any of them and wins(which i doubt) he wouldve beaten a legitmate fighter and probably could pull negotiations back to 50-50 based on the sales.
I doubt it would happen though pac is too protected by arum and is allowed to only fight in-house so cotto probably will be his next and last fight and it will earn him little to know fanfare because HE ALREADY EFFING BEAT COTTO.
idk maybe cotto could beat him now but that will be hard to convince any1 except die hard ricans and steward.
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all roads lead to who???? in that case, p-will better walk his ass to floyd... but funny how al haymon & goossen seem to be fairly quiet regarding floyd. this is starting to look very familiar... floyds waiting for the dust to settle then picks up the scraps.
why is it that p-will would rather go after the "roided up midget" than the PPV king???? how is that LOGICAL?? bigger name & bigger paycheck with floyd right?
why are all these floyd boys ****ing the drums for pac to clean out the WW division while their boy sits back between ellerbes legs??? floyd's promise was to beat the best... if theres no challenge @ WW, theres plenty @ MW. whats the hold up? i would LOVE to see floyd fight twice a year. floyd needs to start calling some names out.
pac has no more business @ WW (unless bradley, alexander, etc MOVE UP)... who else would he fight @ WW??? berto? collazo? easy work for pac.... berto would get gassed and flattened & collazo would get outworked.
IMO, floyd has more options... he's outgrown WW. he can handle MW.
since p-will isnt fighting martinez, floyd can take a crack at sergio.
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Originally posted by badecisioncotto View Postif pac fights williams or martinez that would be the best way to come back from that mosley move that floyd pulled. if pac fights any of them and wins(which i doubt) he wouldve beaten a legitmate fighter and probably could pull negotiations back to 50-50 based on the sales.
I doubt it would happen though pac is too protected by arum and is allowed to only fight in-house so cotto probably will be his next and last fight and it will earn him little to know fanfare because HE ALREADY EFFING BEAT COTTO.
idk maybe cotto could beat him now but that will be hard to convince any1 except die hard ricans and steward.
im sick of toprank in-house circle jerks...
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