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Originally posted by Rick Reeno
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Most of these fighters on this list are bums, has beens, and blown up lightweights when they fought Jones. The only ones worthy of being named as part of the elite group between 160-175 of Jones's era are James Toney(which was shoe-shinin' at it's best by a scared Jones), Bernard Hopkins(boring, Hops was shutdown with Jones boxing with one hand for most of the fight), Montell Griffin( I had Griffin winning most of the rounds and this was the beginning of Jones using his cracked out version of the rope-a-dope). 2nd tier: Virgil Hill(uh, yeah), Vinny Pazienza(for chrissakes the guy is 5'7 and used to fight at 130 c'mon now) Mike McCallum( way over the hill, but I think he may have had a legitimate shot if they would've fougth when the "Body Snatcher" was in his prime. Reggie Johnson(good solid fighter) Eric Harding I think Paz pound per pound was a better fighter but not between 168-175. The rest I won't even mention. -
Roy Jones fought two legit world class fighters Hopkins and Toney thats it
McCallum and Viril Hill were both very well shot by the time Roy Fought them. Vinny Paz's was a former lightweight who Roy fought at 168.
Roy fought some solid guys(Gonzales, Griffin, Johnson) but no one of any real worth.
dont forget while talking about Roy's competion you also have to throw in the joke fights he had. Guys like Otis Grant, Rick Frazier, David Telesco and Glen Kelly in that list you have a school teacher, a cop and a garbage man. There is just no excuse for a p4p fighter to taking on such garbage competion and save me the madatories bull****.
The list of guys Roy could have fought but never did is 10x more impressive than the list of guys he actually fought.
Julian Jackson
Gerald McClelan
Micheal Nunn
Chris Eubank
Nigel Benn
Frankie Liles(who knocked Roy out in the amatures)
Dariusz Michalczewski
Vasilly Jirov(Roy pulled out)
Lennox Lewis or Vitali, Roy instead chose to fight Jon Ruiz.Last edited by Sir_Jose; 09-27-2004, 08:34 PM.Comment
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other than LL none of the fighters you named would be considered even close to great. if roy had fought julian jackson the same things said about mccallum would have been said about him "he was too old when roy fought him". as far as the g-man, roy never fought him because he is permanently injured. also the g-man is overated because of his injury , the man lost to ralph ward and dennis milton in consecutive bouts. nunn was beaten by toney, whom roy fought and defeated.for chris eubank other than nigel benn who did he ever beat?frankie liles might have been good but he has lost to inferior competition. dm lost to gonzales whom roy taught a lesson.the loss was even by decision in GERMANY that really tells you gonzales did a number on dm. vasilly jirov would have been a good fight i give you credit for that one but i believe roy would have been to fast for jirov and would have pot-shotted his way to victory. roy would never fight vitali, roy started his career at middleweight and now you want him to take on a 6 foot 6 250+ fighter? that would be ridiculous he out ways roy jones in his prime by 80 pounds at leastOriginally posted by joseComment
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That list is still 10x better than the guys Roy actually fought. i never said they were all time greats what I said was that they were better than the guys he chose to fight and thats the truth.
Jones was Jackson #1 contender when Jones was at 160.
Gonzales beat DM when DM was well on the downside and had been barely getting by in his fights leading up to that.
Yes McClellan had two losses back to back BACK IN THE 80'S. One year into his career
what about Nunn from 91-94 when he was the WBA suppermiddle champ?
Frankie Liles lost early in 92 and didn't lose again till 99.
Like I said there were good fighters for him to fight and Roy always took the path of least resistance and anyone who says different is a shameless fan boy.Comment
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^^^^ you are right roy could have fought better competition but which fighter now a days couldnt? its all about the money now not the best fighters. people try to make it seem roy jones didnt fight anybody when he did beat some very good fighters. when hopkins gets beaten or retires what are you gonna say then? the guy has no names besides dlh,( who started at 130 just like paz), and tito.Comment
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Antonio Tarver i will accept. the first fight was close enough that i can see the decision. but tarver would have beat him ko or not in the rematch.Originally posted by Rick Reeno
Julio Gonzalez i will also have to accept because darious was a guy that most people said jones would have to fight to be on of the greats and gonzalez beat him. also beat griffin in the rematch.
John Ruiz this one is too hard for me to swallow.
Bernard Hopkins here is another one that i can agree with. although hopkins was not as skilled as he is now.
Montel Griffin was decent enough but imo not great. he lost the important fights in his career.
James Toney definately a class
Virgil Hill not that great imo he was good don't get me wrong but not great
Eric Harding undefeated against who? well ok tarver is on that list. tarver did come back and beat him in rematch.
Thomas Tate i did like tate but he lost as well in the big fights.
Mike McCallum good in his prime but 40 by the time jones faced him
Vinny Pazienza ahh yeah good ol vinnie paz. definately a great but not at the weight jones faced him at. that was kinda like a dlh-bhop cenario.
Lou Del Valle imo b class
Reggie Johnson this johnson was good but not top notch
rick i like the list you have put together. most all of them are definately notable in the era jones faught. i just don't think that they were guys that could have dealt with past eras. i know its hard to say who would have beat who but its just my opinion.Comment
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When before in the history of boxing has a fighter gotten so much credit even though he was never the linear champion and he refused to fight the linear champion?Comment
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Originally posted by jose
...and Tarver. That's it.
Yeah, he could have fought DM and Vassily.Comment
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His head did bounce pretty hard. That punched rocked his brain good though. I think he was out from the punch cuz of the way he fell (like a statue)Originally posted by abdiel2k3Comment
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actually I just saw a reply for the knock down again and I honestly think it was his head slamming the canvas that really knocked him out. Johnson did connect 100% but it was behind his right ear which still does some damage but it wasn't to Jones' temple. Jones would have lost the match either way unless he would have pulled up a miracle.
3) Every ****ing boxer has SOME kind of power. He didn't KO RJJ cuz of his power. The punch hit the temple, that's the worst place you can get hit in the head. Softest part of yer skull.Comment
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