How effective is taking HGH two weeks before a fight?

[Pacquiao'd]

but pacquiao is allowing blood tests after the fight, surely he'd have to have the EPO in his system during fight night for it to be of any use

when blood doping - properly cycled- its supposed to be out of your system by the time you perform.

so his body is supposed to be clear of the drugs before the fight even starts. so what good is a test going to do after the fight?

[AllEyesOpen]

Since HGH has been ruled out. Then the random BLOOD testing up to 2wk before the fight and 1 BLOOD testing after the fight PLUS Unlimited Urine testing should be enough to detect EPO if that is what a lot of floyd fans are concerned. And Blood doping is to much of a gamble with no guarantee of securing victory in a fight.

besides HGH, certain kinds of EPO, Blood Transfusions, but i love how you write it off as too dangerous, it's up to the individual what they're willing to risk to have an advantage.

then why may i ask WHY did usada stop BLOOD testing 18 days before the fight if there is a posibility that MOSELY OR FLOYD ARE BLOOD DOPING?

Did they know the tests had stopped? No. were they expecting them at any time? Yes, I don't know why people refuse to see the difference between the USADA choosing to stop the tests and a fighter that is being tested making that choice, and how a conflict of interest the concept is.

[Pacquiao'd]

But on the flipside, the random blood testing obviously doesn't state what exact time cut off there is, and basing it off Mayweather vs Mosley's blood testing, theirs ended 18 days prior to the fight (which Tygart himself stated) with the urine testing being conducted up to days prior to the fight and immediately after (urine and blood).

Let's just say that for example the blood testing goes forth and then we find out the blood testing for Pac and Mayweather ends around the same time give or take? Do we now automatically blame the USADA for not testing Pacquiao closer to the fight, or do we just rely on the USADA's testing measures regardless of a "14 day" clause being put in (which may not even be met technically to how the tests ultimately will run)? Who's right or wrong in that situation being the testing protocol seems to have been the biggest deal with the negotiations?

thats correct, but the FIGHT DIDNT KNOW testing had been stop. therefore they arent going to chance cheating

[SplitSecond]

when blood doping - properly cycled- its supposed to be out of your system by the time you perform.

so his body is supposed to be clear of the drugs before the fight even starts. so what good is a test going to do after the fight?

i was pretty sure that isn't how it works with EPO, any articles?

[AFighter4U]

what we are trying to prove is that with a random blood test up to the 14day before the fight and 1 blood immediately with Random urine testing should be enough to scary anyone trying to cheat with no guarantee of wining it is not worry it.

[Pacquiao'd]

i was pretty sure that isn't how it works with EPO, any articles?

you pretty sure? how about you go read Victor Conte's article on the subject

[Pacquiao'd]

what we are trying to prove is that with a random blood test up to the 14day before the fight and 1 blood immediately with Random urine testing should be enough to scary anyone trying to cheat with no guarantee of wining it is not worry it.

just incase you cant count. that leaves 14 days for pac to blood dope.

[AFighter4U]

the fact is they can still cheat. like you said it is a risk a fighter can make.

[SplitSecond]

you pretty sure? how about you go read Victor Conte's article on the subject

well from the articles i read, the effects are rarely noticable less than 14 days and may require up to 42 days

[RL_GMA]

thats correct, but the FIGHT DIDNT KNOW testing had been stop. therefore they arent going to chance cheating

The same applies to Mayweather and Pacquiao. My thing is the 14 days clause may never need to be put into place considering the blood testing may not even reach 14 days prior to the fight. Again, according to Tygart, there was "No Need" to continue blood testing for Mosley and Mayweather up to the 18 days prior to the fight. If something similar applies to Floyd and Pacquiao where no further blood tests are needed after such and such date, is the USADA now looked at as a bad testing protocol since people assume Pacquiao will juice up in 12-14 days even if he's tested with blood and urine immediately after the fight? Seems as if even if the USADA does its job to its fullest capacity that there will still be question marks over Pacquiao.