Sauerland promotions confirms haye vs klitchsko fell apart due to no 50-50 offer

[Hitman932]

neither guy are very popular in the U.S. it's possible that haye in the UK makes as much as wlad in germany

Yes, it is possible, but only because Haye makes his fans pay PPV prices for his fights whereas Klitschko's are on Public Television throughout Germany and the surrounding countries.

If Haye wants to generate a PPV audience for a fight, when his opponent prefers not to, then it only makes sense that his opponent gets a cut.

[Hitman932]

I very much doubt it, Haye's fights in 8K arenas without even selling them out, does not hit up 60% of the available viewers, and I doubt gets that much on endorsements(usually when you have a promoter, he gets the lion's share of endorsement money)
I think klitschko's logic is that this will be the fight where Haye would be able
to start a huge PR compain and gross on Wlad's name and all that patriotical crap the british folk love, so Wlad wants all the revenues to be equally shared. This is a simple loss aversion logic, I would not even say that he is that right in his prediction.

Like I said in another post, Haye will force this to be PPV in England whereas Wlad will make it free to all his fans in Germany and the surrounding countries.

A PPV against Klitschko would sell 4 or 5 times as many buys as Haye-Ruiz and that is because of Klitschko's name and not Haye's.

So it's quite possible that Haye-Klitschko could generate huge PPV revenue above and beyond what Wlad gets from his standard TV contract.

If that's the case, the huge numbers are clearly a result of Wlad's name being on the card and therefore he should be entitled to at least 50% of the UK PPV revenue.

[edgarg]

Where does it say 50/50????

And from what date is that interview?

Battler, as far as I can figure, Haye was objecting to a 50-50 deal actually being 50-50.

Someone yesterday wrote that since there would be British TV money, but no German TV money, so Haye wanted to keep all the British TV money whilst allowing Klitschko to keep the German TV money, which yesterday's writer said didn't exist.

So, Haye was trying to get a far greater %age than 50-50, from the recognised Champion of the World......... Hmmm......

Don't know myself what the real TV deal is, but some poster is sure to know.

[jrosales13]

Yes, it is possible, but only because Haye makes his fans pay PPV prices for his fights whereas Klitschko's are on Public Television throughout Germany and the surrounding countries.

If Haye wants to generate a PPV audience for a fight, when his opponent prefers not to, then it only makes sense that his opponent gets a cut.

Why? Especially when the opponent prefers not to make it a PPV? If he doesn't want to make it a PPV then that is a personal problem... Doesn't mean he deserves a cut when he personally doesn't want to make it one.

Again Wlad is in his right and I understand his point of asking 50-50. IMO that is very fair.

However, Haye is in his right and I understand his point of saying you keep German TV rights and I keep U.K TV rights. I think that is also very fair.

In this ONE issue if this is really and issue. Since right now I don't know cuz is a lot of he said, she said stuff. But, if it is really an issue. I can see BOTH sides of the argument. Again only in this ONE issue if it is really an issue not for certain that all this is true.

And, before you go talking about your little **** ****. I will say that I am not a big Haye fan either. I actually respect both K Bros than Haye. However, if this is really is an issue I can see both sides points.

[Devils Advocate]

Kalle Sauerland has told the Telegraph that David Haye turned down a fight with Wladimir Klitschko due to the Ukrainian's financial demands.

Haye, Britain's WBA heavyweight champion, had been in talks with the IBF and WBO title holder ahead of a possible unification fight later this year.

Both fighters have continued to call each other out after Haye was forced to withdraw from last year's proposed fight between the pair with a back injury.

A big-money match-up in 2010 appeared inevitable but promoter Sauerland, who has a stake in Haye's next two fights after the Briton defeated Nicolai Valuev for the title, insists the former cruiserweight champion still wants the fight.

"David is keen on fighting one of the Klitschko brothers," he told the British newspaper. "But the devil is in the financial details.

"There are multiple parties with a financial stake in Haye's fights. We're just one of those parties. Haye has become a national superstar in the UK, and thus the conditions have changed.

"Haye earns as much money in the UK as the Klitschkos earn in Germany. Therefore, that makes reaching a deal much more difficult. We have to insist on a sensible financial agreement."


Klitschko has since signed to fight the IBF's mandatory challengery Alexander Povetkin on September 18, while Haye has yet to reveal his next opponent.

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see the bold bit? both earn as much, fight didnt happen because of no 50-50 offer which haye demanded 2 months ago. i wish klitchsko would stop lying about the 50-50 offer, now a third party promotion company confirms no 50-50 offer

It's believable HBO is only interested in that fight. I wonder how come they do the Haye keep all the money in the UK and Wlad keep German TV money? Just look at the Valuev offer 1.5 mil take it or leave it.

[Chunk..]

So basically Haye wants 50-50 plus 100% of UK PPV??? I'm sorry Haye but that's not gonna happen in a million years. The only reason why this fight would sell is because of the guy you're fighting and what you're fighting for.

[jrosales13]

So basically Haye wants 50-50 plus 100% of UK PPV??? I'm sorry Haye but that's not gonna happen in a million years. The only reason why this fight would sell is because of the guy you're fighting and what you're fighting for.

Again, what he is saying, if all this is really true, 50-50 but I keep 100% of UK and YOU keep 100% of Germany...

Honestly if this issue is really true and only on this issue both sides have a point.

[boxingchef]

Kalle Sauerland has told the Telegraph that David Haye turned down a fight with Wladimir Klitschko due to the Ukrainian's financial demands.

Haye, Britain's WBA heavyweight champion, had been in talks with the IBF and WBO title holder ahead of a possible unification fight later this year.

Both fighters have continued to call each other out after Haye was forced to withdraw from last year's proposed fight between the pair with a back injury.

A big-money match-up in 2010 appeared inevitable but promoter Sauerland, who has a stake in Haye's next two fights after the Briton defeated Nicolai Valuev for the title, insists the former cruiserweight champion still wants the fight.

"David is keen on fighting one of the Klitschko brothers," he told the British newspaper. "But the devil is in the financial details.

"There are multiple parties with a financial stake in Haye's fights. We're just one of those parties. Haye has become a national superstar in the UK, and thus the conditions have changed.

"Haye earns as much money in the UK as the Klitschkos earn in Germany. Therefore, that makes reaching a deal much more difficult. We have to insist on a sensible financial agreement."


Klitschko has since signed to fight the IBF's mandatory challengery Alexander Povetkin on September 18, while Haye has yet to reveal his next opponent.

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see the bold bit? both earn as much, fight didnt happen because of no 50-50 offer which haye demanded 2 months ago. i wish klitchsko would stop lying about the 50-50 offer, now a third party promotion company confirms no 50-50 offer

read this:

Klitschko-Haye offer details
By Karl Freitag
The David Haye camp has stated that Haye does want to fight Wladimir, but they cannot accept certain “financial details.” What are those details? “The offer was 50%/50%, no options,” Wladimir Klitschko advisor Shelly Finkel confirmed to *********.com. Finkel added that he hasn’t heard from David Haye’s manager Adam Booth in three weeks after initially speaking to him half-a-dozen times.
It seems the main hang-up was that the Haye camp wanted to keep 100% of the UK TV revenue and give Wladimir 100% of the German TV revenue. The Klitschko Camp wanted to put all the TV money in one pot and split it 50/50%, which they consider more than fair since Wladimir would be risking three belts to Haye’s one, and Wlad is widely considered to be the world’s true heavyweight champion.
Wladimir will now defend his belts against Alexander Povetkin on September 11 in Frankfurt, Germany, while Haye is expected to face Audley Harrison in an all-British affair in November.

[S.G.]

Again, what he is saying, if all this is really true, 50-50 but I keep 100% of UK and YOU keep 100% of Germany...

Honestly if this issue is really true and only on this issue both sides have a point.

That's not really fair considering Germany don't do boxing PPV's as far as I'm aware. Wlad fights go on national TV, that's just how it is over there and they can't well change it just for one fight without pissing people off. ****, Haye owes Wlad for half of his Valuev and Ruiz buys, let alone the buys where Wlad is actually directly involved.

[Gorilla Dogs]

Haye is garbage.



Vitali or Wlad would destroy his ass anyways