if roach became ill would you want manny to fight floyd without him??

[Boss Don]

i hear people say."floyd doesnt need a trainer to perform..but manny needs roach for the game plan"wtf??(pullcounter quote) mannys fighter of the decade so why should floyd be held at a higher standard??

the funny thing is I told you a while ago that Roger had trial coming up and that might be a reason for Floyd not fighting and you LarryX told me "f**k that terrible excuse" and now look at you tryna use it thats lame homie

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In case you forgot

[AKATheMack]

i think we already know he is elite. His dominance has been questioned once and an immediate rematch was given. There are fighters who could go through his resume undefeated (Manny not being one), but there are non who could beat all the fighters he did with such dominance. It's like Lampley said.....it's not a situation where these fights are even close and his dominance is being questioned.

We definitely know hes great, but how great is up for debate. If he put a one sided beating on a fighter like Martinez it would mean much more in proving his greatness than beating up an old Mosley or an overweight JMM. Im really a Floyd fan I just dont want to see him retire with a lot of unanswered questions. It takes a fighter fighting through adversity to see what hes really made of and we havent seen that from Floyd, his fights all seem so easy that it can only make a true fight fan want to see him against more difficult competition.

[check hook]

We definitely know hes great, but how great is up for debate. If he put a one sided beating on a fighter like Martinez it would mean much more in proving his greatness than beating up an old Mosley or an overweight JMM. Im really a Floyd fan I just dont want to see him retire with a lot of unanswered questions. It takes a fighter fighting through adversity to see what hes really made of and we havent seen that from Floyd, his fights all seem so easy that it can only make a true fight fan want to see him against more difficult competition.

respectfully i disagree. Shane had him on VERY shaky legs and he shook off the cobwebs very quickly and came back very hard. He showed against Shane his legs returned very quickly. He jumped in the pocket against Castillo when the fight was on the line and gave an immediate rematch (IMHO fighters who think they lost and aren't sure of themselves against an opponent the had a close fight with are the ones who don't give an immediate rematch).

Corley clearly hurt hi on two occasions. He came back and fought Corley very hard. Judah ruffles his feathers too. He also showed grit against Augustus.

I think you (like many) will only be convinced if he get's dropped hard and hits the canvas and comes back.

[AKATheMack]

respectfully i disagree. Shane had him on VERY shaky legs and he shook off the cobwebs very quickly and came back very hard. He showed against Shane his legs returned very quickly. He jumped in the pocket against Castillo when the fight was on the line and gave an immediate rematch (IMHO fighters who think they lost and aren't sure of themselves against an opponent the had a close fight with are the ones who don't give an immediate rematch).

Corley clearly hurt hi on two occasions. He came back and fought Corley very hard. Judah ruffles his feathers too. He also showed grit against Augustus.

I think you (like many) will only be convinced if he get's dropped hard and hits the canvas and comes back.

He took 3 punches from Shane all fight I dont count a minute and a half of an entire fight overcoming adversity. Im also more than impressed with his work at 135 and below but the only fighter hes faced since Castillo who had any chance at all of beating him was DLH. Thats not good enough for the best fighter of his generation. I need to see him beat someone who actually has a chance of winning the fight.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

He took 3 punches from Shane all fight I dont count a minute and a half of an entire fight overcoming adversity. Im also more than impressed with his work at 135 and below but the only fighter hes faced since Castillo who had any chance at all of beating him was DLH. Thats not good enough for the best fighter of his generation. I need to see him beat someone who actually has a chance of winning the fight.

Did it ever occur that maybe, just maybe Floyd is that good?

Just because we watch JMM beat Pacs head in an watch other elite fighters like Dawson get ran by Glen Johnson doesnt mean that Floyd will have the same thing happen to him. The dude is THAT good.

In my opinion I dont see anybody from 147-160 beating him at all.

He just fought the Lineal Number 1 WW and P4P number 3. If the third best fighter in the world isnt a test to see how good Floyd is then that a testament to Floyds skill it shouldnt be a knock on him. Hes too good for his own good apparently.

"He took 3 punches from Shane all night"

Think about that quote from you for a second. Think about it.

Now ask yourself what did I just say? I just said Floyd got hit with 3 punches in 36 minutes.

Floyd is so good that him even doing something like that is knocked by people. This is the same Mosley that Roach and Pac said was TOO GOOD to fight Pac.

[Ether]

I would hope Pacquiao is wise enough to not fight without Roach.

[Vadrigar.]

"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."

[Walterson]

Did it ever occur that maybe, just maybe Floyd is that good?

Just because we watch JMM beat Pacs head in an watch other elite fighters like Dawson get ran by Glen Johnson doesnt mean that Floyd will have the same thing happen to him. The dude is THAT good.

In my opinion I dont see anybody from 147-160 beating him at all.

He just fought the Lineal Number 1 WW and P4P number 3. If the third best fighter in the world isnt a test to see how good Floyd is then that a testament to Floyds skill it shouldnt be a knock on him. Hes too good for his own good apparently.

"He took 3 punches from Shane all night"

Think about that quote from you for a second. Think about it.

Now ask yourself what did I just say? I just said Floyd got hit with 3 punches in 36 minutes.

Floyd is so good that him even doing something like that is knocked by people. This is the same Mosley that Roach and Pac said was TOO GOOD to fight Pac.

Brilliant post. Couldn't have said it better myself!

Green K sent.

[Walterson]

"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."

Precisely!

[AKATheMack]

Did it ever occur that maybe, just maybe Floyd is that good?

Just because we watch JMM beat Pacs head in an watch other elite fighters like Dawson get ran by Glen Johnson doesnt mean that Floyd will have the same thing happen to him. The dude is THAT good.

In my opinion I dont see anybody from 147-160 beating him at all.

He just fought the Lineal Number 1 WW and P4P number 3. If the third best fighter in the world isnt a test to see how good Floyd is then that a testament to Floyds skill it shouldnt be a knock on him. Hes too good for his own good apparently.

"He took 3 punches from Shane all night"

Think about that quote from you for a second. Think about it.

Now ask yourself what did I just say? I just said Floyd got hit with 3 punches in 36 minutes.

Floyd is so good that him even doing something like that is knocked by people. This is the same Mosley that Roach and Pac said was TOO GOOD to fight Pac.

If you are constantly outclassing your opponents its time to step up your competition. I dont see why anyone would have a problem with that. Look at every prediction I made leading up to the Floyd-Shane fight I called for Mosley to win maybe 2 early rounds on aggression and then get dominated thats of no interest to me when Im watching the best boxer on the planet perform.