Does Cotto/Margarito avenge Tito/Vargas (cheat-wise)?

[jaskieee]

Vargas was an up and coming champion who was destroyed by Trinidad. Later in his career, Trinidad was discovered using a tricked out wrapping technique by Richardson. Cotto was mauled by Margarito. Later in his career, Margarito was discovered using a plaster-like substance in his wraps (again, by Nazeem Richardson).

Does the Cotto mauling even out the Vargas destruction?

Everyone seems to be under the impression that Margarito cheated versus Cotto and if the playing field was even the fight would have gone differently.

People are forgetting that regardless of what Margarito's hands were rapped in, he was landing from round one and Cotto was also landing but he was not hurting Margarito at all. I dont see a rematch at 154 turining out any differently except for number of rounds Cotto manages to survive.

[mariobrotherpr]

All of his opponent's handlers had the opportunity to watch him get his hands wrapped. If his trainer had been using something illegal in the hand wraps, they would/should have seen it. Since no one voiced a concern prior to the Mosley bout, neither you nor anyone else has the right to accuse him of cheating.

I think you have said it yourself. Would is not the same as SHOULD.

The stuff about having a "right to accuse him of cheating" is BS.

What is in question here is not my "right to accuse him" or not. In fact it is not whether they cheated or not (they did). It is how many times they could have gotten away with it without being caught.

Since I do not believe the system is perfect (I do believe it is very flawed) I do think human beings are capable of beating it time and time again, and even after, being caught.

[big_james10]

Right under the nose of the Nevada Athletic Commission inspector. Forgot that?

That fight was in California, not Nevada. Employees of the California commission allowed this to happen. Those two employees who were responsible for monitoring the handwrapping and preparation process and allowed the illegal handwraps (the information was not released, but su****ion was that the commission employees did not watch the hands get wrapped, but signed off on it anyway before Richardson arrived) were fired as a result of that incident.

If Cotto's people accepted a commission employee's word that Margarito's hand wraps were okay and did not witness the wrapping, Cotto's employee should have been fired. However, we have heard nothing about that, so we have no reason to suspect that there was anything illegal done.

[mariobrotherpr]

That fight was in California, not Nevada. Employees of the California commission allowed this to happen. Those two employees who were responsible for monitoring the handwrapping and preparation process and allowed the illegal handwraps (the information was not released, but su****ion was that the commission employees did not watch the hands get wrapped, but signed off on it anyway before Richardson arrived) were fired as a result of that incident.

If Cotto's people accepted a commission employee's word that Margarito's hand wraps were okay and did not witness the wrapping, Cotto's employee should have been fired. However, we have heard nothing about that, so we have no reason to suspect that there was anything illegal done.

I am refering to the Cotto fight.

[Heeb]

I don't think there was proof the earth was round before Magellan. Guess what? It still was round.

Okay, then I'm going to assume that Miguel Cotto and Vargas were on steroids for their bouts anyway. I have no proof of this but there was no proof the world was round before Magellan. Guess what? It was still round.

[mariobrotherpr]

That fight was in California, not Nevada. Employees of the California commission allowed this to happen. Those two employees who were responsible for monitoring the handwrapping and preparation process and allowed the illegal handwraps (the information was not released, but su****ion was that the commission employees did not watch the hands get wrapped, but signed off on it anyway before Richardson arrived) were fired as a result of that incident.

If Cotto's people accepted a commission employee's word that Margarito's hand wraps were okay and did not witness the wrapping, Cotto's employee should have been fired. However, we have heard nothing about that, so we have no reason to suspect that there was anything illegal done.

Again, you accept the flaws in the system. Not only did you previously stated that someone would or should notice the cheat, but now you say that there is su****ion they didn't even watched the wrapping and signed off anyway.

Cotto fired his uncle after the Margarito fight.

And my reasoning about illegalities do not come from what Cotto's ****ty corner did or did not made public or not. They came from fight night. And every time someone pit-pats another fighter into submission I will be suspect.

[mariobrotherpr]

Okay, then I'm going to assume that Miguel Cotto and Vargas were on steroids for their bouts anyway. I have no proof of this but there was no proof the world was round before Magellan. Guess what? It was still round.

Funny thing is that both Tito and Margarito were caught cheating. Cotto was not caught on steroids. You COULD make an argument about Vargas, because if I am not mistaken he was also caught using steroids after the De la Hoya fight.

[mariobrotherpr]

And of course I expect people to bash me for saying this. Neither the Ricans nor the Mexicans will accept a tarnish on one of their boys, who pummeled to **** their rival.

Kind of like Maradona and the English with the "Hand of God" cheat.

[poeticlsykuac]

Actually Trinidad did have the same wraps vs. Vargas as his illegal wraps in the Hopkins fight. They said they always wrapped Tito's hands that way and outright said that they didn't feel it was illegal and that they did it in everyone of his previous bouts. Someone tried to convince me once upon a time that it is only illegal in New York under their commission which I found incredibly hard to believe. That Nevada and California don't hold the same rules about placing tape over the knuckles. That is wrong.

The way Tito wrapped his hands they were as strong as a cast. His wraps would layer his hands with pieces of tape in between the wrap. The traditional method was to use gauze as these wraps are not to be used for damaging the other fighter but protecting the fighter's hands. Tito's wraps were admittedly illegal through out his career, the guy who wrapped his hands admitted it. According to them because of his unorthodox power his hands required more padding and the extra tape helped him take care of his hands. I don't agree with this at all. If everyone else has to do it one way you better as well. IMO he derived most of his power from the wraps not his actual power. I think that he had solid power that looked a lot better with his wraps. Side note: Tito also punched Vargas below the belt(not sure if it was on purpose) when he was in trouble. I personally think with out that low blow Tito quite possibly could have lost. That punch took a lot out of Vargas' sails he wasn't fighting the same after that.

That said if the other corner watched him wrap his hands properly and paid attention they wouldn't have this speculative talk. If I remember correctly just like vs. Hopkins in the Joppy and Vargas fight the hands had already be wrapped and they were putting on the gloves, if they would have made the same demands Hopkins did there wouldn't be this bs.