How Many Pacman Fans Have Actually Changed Their Minds About Floyd...?

[Guest]

seriously dude panda' s lived in holland all his life and what ure saying right there sounds like a little bit of luck mixed in with the soft drug tolerance policy holland is famous for. if u really visited the red light district u will have noticed a lot of police are patrolling the area compared to when u previously visited. the dutch simply arent as tolerant as they used to be which for me being dutch is a sad thing

on queens day nobody arrests u for petty misdemeanors like smoking pot or drinking in a public place but everyone panda knows have gotten fines or have gotten arrested for smoking pot in public on any other given day. pandas gotten kicked out of clubs for smoking pot and some of my friends have even gotten fines because they were holding their dimebags (not even smoking anything) in public.

My point is that the U.S.A they don't tolerate any of this at all.
That's the difference. We don't have coffeeshops in my state, nor any of your other perks.
I fully understand what you are saying, but if you ask me you have it way better than us, still even after your crackdowns and your public's shift in opinions.

[Pacquiao'd]

actually, I aint a fan but they said floyd was too scared to fight a prime mosley, and they were proved right.

They said he was too scared to fight any fighters in their prime at their natural weight, hatton, oscar, marquez, mosley and so on, again proved correct.

They said floyd avoids the fights at 147 their natural weight who are in their prime, again proved correct with margo, cotto, mosley and now pac.

floyd called prime mosley out twice and shane ducked him.

arums the reason why floyd didnt get his fights with margo, cotto, and DLH. dude didnt want to pay floyd what he asked.

*******s

[MindBat]

he did.

bad style matchup and great gameplan against margarito.

take those 2 and add the fact that marg just got caught with illegal wraps. that must've taken marg out of it psychologically.

No doubt.

floyd called prime mosley out twice and shane ducked him.

arums the reason why floyd didnt get his fights with margo, cotto, and DLH. dude didnt want to pay floyd what he asked.

*******s

Bob's still hurtin' from Floyd's request to leave the nest. He's in a great position to make a decent payday through Floyd's involvement either way.

[horge]

I'm on the fence about Floyd ducking Mosley.
It can certainly look like Floyd waited for Mosley's mileage to pile up first, even if we talk about supposed toothaches in the past, lol.

I think there's a pretty good argument he avoided Margs and Cotto via
retirement --even if it was on the basis of not enough return for the risk, that's still ducking --because there was a lot of fan pressure to make those fights at the time.

WRT Pacquiao: I think the OST issue was exploited by both sides to their advantage. Pac was able to run for congress without distraction or risking his winning cachet, and Floyd got to delay his first L(hehehehe) --if not avoid it outright (we'll see).

h.

[MindBat]

I'm on the fence about Floyd ducking Mosley.
It can certainly look like Floyd waited for Mosley's mileage to pile up first, even if we talk about supposed toothaches in the past, lol.

I think there's a pretty good argument he avoided Margs and Cotto via
retirement --even if it was on the basis of not enough return for the risk, that's still ducking --because there was a lot of fan pressure to make those fights at the time.

WRT Pacquiao: I think the OST issue was exploited by both sides to their advantage. Pac was able to run for congress without distraction or risking his winning cachet, and Floyd got to delay his first L(hehehehe) --if not avoid it outright (we'll see).

h.

It's still puzzling how Mosley has been more active than Floyd yet Floyd's still the top draw. Floyd stepped away from the game as #1 P4P for almost two years, came back on top, has had a couple of fights since, and is still
on top at #2. Can't say he's been fighting tomato cans either.

[check hook]

I say around 2003-2004

Even in the Oscar rematch he was unable to put punches together...

However, even a passed prime Shane was still a top fighter. And, a 38yr old Shane was an elite WW fighter... lineal champ and arguably the best in the division that held Floyd and Pac at the time. So all credit to Floyd for that win.

the rematch is when you can tell oscar and him were on the downhill.

shane and oscar in the rematch just wasn't as sharp and good as they were in the 1st fight.

The minute he got off that stuff (he was never the same)...Now I take nothing from Floyd Check, you know that.

You also know Mosley was not prime. Still a good fighter, able to win by impressive fashion (against the right style, Margo for example)...

Most Floyd fans would say (in regaurds to Mosley beating Floyd), the same Shane that went life and death with Mayorga??? Then when Floyd beat him, he was back to being special.

Floyd desposed of one of his "Boogymen" in Shane, that doesn't change the fact that he was out of his prime...

in his defense he was old.

you know old fighters are up and down.

sometimes they look shot and then next fight they look like they're 20 again.

look at bhop's fights. so up and down too.



you rooting for spain?

wanna bet spain vs. holland?

probably around the time of the delahoya rematch.

he was downhill since then.

still good though.

Thnaks guys.......but i was waiting for the ****** to answer....som he could say something ******. That's my point, even if it was viable for them to fight sometime from 2004-2009 many would argue Shane was still on the slide.

[check hook]

Question.Did Casamayor and Frietas call Floyd out?No, so how did Floyd duck those guys?

Floyd said he wanted the winner of those 2 but they never replied so whose the ducker?

That's my point. People ( clueless ppl) have rewritten history. Do they know what constitutes a duck. Was their ever any negotations or "REAL" discussion about Floyd fighting all these fighters he supposedly ducked. EvenMargarito, who i feel Floyd really didn't want to fight, there was never any "REAL" movement behind the scenes to get that ball rolling. Floyd was in the process of suing Arum after just having left-----> was that fight actually viable at that time?? Again i don't think he wanted the fight......but it's logical he would take Baldomir for the same money and linear status.

- Freitas
- Casamayor
- S Johnson
- Spadafora
- Hatton (@ 140)
- Cotto (@ 140 and 147)
- KT
- Shane Molsey
- ODLH
- Wright @ 154
- Williams
- Pac


All guys floyd has supposedly ducked.......i'm sorry ****ers, but if this is a load of garbage.

[mathed]

He is very opportunistic and has a good management team. He has a semi relevant excuse for everything, "who is this guy?", "I don't fight for legacy, I fight for money"
This automatically eliminates all the young, PRIME guys that could be threats to him.

[check hook]

He is very opportunistic and has a good management team. He has a semi relevant excuse for everything, "who is this guy?", "I don't fight for legacy, I fight for money"
This automatically eliminates all the young, PRIME guys that could be threats to him.

You're a good poster.....cept when it comes to FMJ. Which young prime fighter was or even is a threat to him? He would get lambasted for fighting a guy like Berto, Bradley atm?

[MindBat]

Whomever he faces they should be somewhere in the top five and bringing in the dough. No sense fighting for chump change.