Comments Thread For: If Mayweather Walks: A Good Look at Pacquiao's Options

[prsi]

1 - Gag order requested by Floyd? Link please?

2 - Floyd's team said everything was agreed to? Link Please?

3 - Pac's team is looking for a plan B to put pressure on Floyd. Its part of their deadline strategy.

4 - If Pac wanted to fight him he would have accepted what Mosley accepted, and fought him. They chose to fight a loser instead.

Once again, the OSDT was NOT brought in last minute. We even have video of Roach saying "they wanted olympic style testing and we said yes no problem" except that they NEVER said yes.

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He who has follow both sagas (negotiations) do not need to look up link for others as there were in a time sequence and it's time consuming.

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Promoters get paid for having other options to keep the cash flowing, same happened when the 1st fight failed Clottey option was not the best but was a decent name at the moment and it was a very good pay day and and the scenario (Cowboy Stadium) was very attractive for Boxing.

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If PBF wanted to fight him he would also accepted the terms counter offered by Pacman and once againg the more strict drug testing in professional Boxing history.

Following your line of thought "If Pac wanted to fight him he would have accepted what Mosley accepted, and fought him"
IF PBF WANTED TO FIGHT HIM HE WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED WHAT JMM MARQUEZ ACCEPTED. Why change the rules for Pacman????

[jrosales13]

What I don't get is why do people think Abregu is a big puncher?

I just don't see it. He hasn't been able to KO his opponents in step up fights. IMO his power is overrated.

[lern1079]

For those who want to blame Pacman for the 1st failed negotiations by asking Why Pacman didn't agreed to the drug testing demand on the 1st fight?? Let's get this in a realistic perspective.
As all negotiation, there are always a starting point, (draft contract) on which was tweaked in terms of purse split, where was the fight was going to be held etc..
After all was ready and agreed upon and all that was needed was both fighters signature it was PBF that came up with a drug testing policy that has never been used in Boxing, not even by PBF himself a month before that moemnet against JMM nor after that when fighting Mosley (against Mosley although agreed they didn't test 14 days before the fight). We also have to keep in mind the big EGOS involved on this negotiations, so did Pacman Ego got in the way not to accept the drug policy??? YES!!!, but he did accept 3 blood testing including one of them 25 days before the fight and another one the same day of the fight after the fight would be over, including urine testing every day towards the fight. That agreement by Pacman is more than and a Unprecedented drug testing policy in the history of Boxing. Was Pacman willing to fight, did he want to fight???? YES!!
Why did PBF came up with this drug policy?? Because he can't believe Pacquiao is as good or better than him?? Because he is influenced by others (Paulie's) comments?? Or was he ducking Pacman??? Or was he really wanting to clean the sport???
Once again, the 1st time PBF demands this drug testing policy is against Pacman after all terms for the fight was agreed upon and the drug testing policy was not drafted on the contract. Let's not forget that!!!!!
That he demanded it against Mosley, Of course, he is now going to have to request it against everybody so he won’t look bad. But why not against JMM??
Now, and based on both parties comments, GBP (who is handling PBF negotiation) and Top Rank, everything presented, which has been kept as a secret, (once again, another rare request by PBF), has been pre-agreed by both parties, and all that is required now is PBF signature. Failed to do so will be ONCE AGAIN PBF's fault.
Not saying PBF will not win the fight, not saying he will win against Pacman but in my opinion what PBF is winning by unanimous decision already is who to blame for the fight not happening, now he has a punchers chance and at the last round he can KO everybody by signing the fight and put an end to all the speculations, including mine!!!

Ha Ha..so much misinformation in this blob of text that I don't know where to start. You are saying that all terms were agreed upon than Mayweater out of the blue came up with the blood testing. Mayweather wanted to do the blood testing since negotiations were on going. He didn't come out the blue and say well know that we agreed on all terms I want to do the drug testing. Floyd ok 50/50, the fighters to wear whatever gloves they wanted to. Pac said ok well then I want 10 Mill. for every pound you are over and May agreed. Then we get into all the bickering about cut off dates.

Let me ask you this: How did Mayweather know that Pacquiao would not agree to the blood test? Is he psychic?

Then came all the excuses about being afraid of needles and feeling drained.

Furthermore, the request for more stringent testing protocols has been asked by fighters in prior fights.

Mayweather is putting himself through the same testing as Pac so it's not like he is asking Pac to do something he is not doing.

Yes he had to do it with Mosley and neither fighter complained. He didn't do it with JMM because he was a smaller fighter coming up 2 weight classes and he knew it wouldn't be an issue.

You have to remember that mayweather for all the dumb things he says and does at times is good at playing mind games with his opponenets and this may be all that he is doing.

What is it with all this conditions that Pac wanted to set on the first negotiations. His inserting timeframes and amounts of testing in his purported attempt to agree with blood testing just caused more suspision.

last point. Pac hasn't signed anything and Mayweather hasn't signed anything. We don't know what the terms are. And in regards to the gag order to the negotiations where are you getting it that it was PBF's idea. It was Arum that says that he wont be negotiating through the media yet there are articles from Pac's camp every other day.

[prsi]

Ha Ha..so much misinformation in this blob of text that I don't know where to start. You are saying that all terms were agreed upon than Mayweater out of the blue came up with the blood testing. Mayweather wanted to do the blood testing since negotiations were on going. He didn't come out the blue and say well know that we agreed on all terms I want to do the drug testing. Floyd ok 50/50, the fighters to wear whatever gloves they wanted to. Pac said ok well then I want 10 Mill. for every pound you are over and May agreed. Then we get into all the bickering about cut off dates.

Let me ask you this: How did Mayweather know that Pacquiao would not agree to the blood test? Is he psychic?

Then came all the excuses about being afraid of needles and feeling drained.

Furthermore, the request for more stringent testing protocols has been asked by fighters in prior fights.

Mayweather is putting himself through the same testing as Pac so it's not like he is asking Pac to do something he is not doing.

Yes he had to do it with Mosley and neither fighter complained. He didn't do it with JMM because he was a smaller fighter coming up 2 weight classes and he knew it wouldn't be an issue.

You have to remember that mayweather for all the dumb things he says and does at times is good at playing mind games with his opponenets and this may be all that he is doing.

What is it with all this conditions that Pac wanted to set on the first negotiations. His inserting timeframes and amounts of testing in his purported attempt to agree with blood testing just caused more suspision.

last point. Pac hasn't signed anything and Mayweather hasn't signed anything. We don't know what the terms are. And in regards to the gag order to the negotiations where are you getting it that it was PBF's idea. It was Arum that says that he wont be negotiating through the media yet there are articles from Pac's camp every other day.

Requested for other fights but not as stricted as what Pacman agreed to much less what PBF requested.
Had to do it with Mosley but not with JMM because he was comingfrom 2 weight classes. Wasn't Pacman fighting in those wieght classes also??

Agreed with PBF playing good mind games but i guess he found somebody that didn't play along to the rules he invented.

never said there was nothins signed, all negotiations start with draft and that what the start to work with. The Gag has come from PBF, arum has seaid he will not negotiate thru the media because of the Gag order but the articles from Pac's camp coming out every day are not related to the detail or terms on the negotiations.

Anyway I just want the fight to be made as a boxing fan. and IMO and once again MY OPINION although both fighters are responsible initially for the fight not to take place the 1st, it is more PBF fault than Pacman.

I Guess your opinion is the other way around. OK that's fine with me.

[WESS]

1) The "Gag order" is real and was requested by PBF.
2) Both parties not only Pacman but GBP have admitted that all has been agreed to.
3) Pacman's team is looking for a Plan B because last time everything was agreed upon by both parties, along came Floyd with the new drug testing "rule" therefore; being that PBF is unpredictable in negotiations, a plan B will always have to be in consideration.
4) If Pacman did not want to fight him why did he accept a 25 day blood testing cut off, another blood test immediately after the fight and urine drug test everyday before and at the same day of the fight??? That itself is the most stricted drug testing in professional boxing history and PBF didn't accept it.

Once again, purse, place, ring size were all agreed after several negotiations for the 1st fight it was only when they were ready to sign contracts that the drug issue was brought up by PBF.

Hopefully there is no more surprises and now that both GBP and Arum seem to have an agreement PBF finally gives the fans what they want to see.

PBF has always had a excuse to fight other higher risk boxers, whether it was becasue his opponent was the best dollar value or was the champion at the moement (remember Baldomir). Now not only Pacman is the 147 champion, but he is alos the P4P king and more than that represent for PBF the biggets payday of his career and probably of boxing. NO MORE EXCUSES!!!

lol IRRELEVANT. All of it.

May 1st 2010. Mayweather made it very clear what Pac had to "agree" too to make the fight. Has he?

Arum said HE DID. The REAL question is, DID he actually "agree" to make the fight? Or did he "agree" to what he (Pac) wanted and threatened Floyd that he has a "PLAN B" and a deadline?

There is no counter offer, just Pac agreeing or not agreeing. Simple really. Pac wants the fight right? He knows exactly how to get it. WILL HE? He said he agreed to EVERYTHING. But did he? We will see right? if he didn't, he "ducked" (again).

You can talk all the old negotiation media hype you want. Fact is Pac walked away and went to fight in a court room rather than in a ring. FACT

[paulf]

At this point i'm afraid JMM-Pac III would be incredibly one-sided. Also, Pac's team said he's not going back to 140, so at a catchweight that fight would probably play out like Floyd-Marquez. Total domination.

All the other option seem so lame though. I guess Berto's the only other option worth a ****.

[WESS]

At this point i'm afraid JMM-Pac III would be incredibly one-sided. Also, Pac's team said he's not going back to 140, so at a catchweight that fight would probably play out like Floyd-Marquez. Total domination.

All the other option seem so lame though. I guess Berto's the only other option worth a ****.

If only Gamboa was up to 140......

Well rumor has it Pac wants him at 145. Mayweather was bashed for wanting him at 144. I know Floyd paid JMM so that he (Floyd) could come in over 144 but the fact was Mayweather got bashed for wanting JMM to come up to 144. Rumor has it that Pac/Roach want him one pound heavier if they fought?

Anyone else heard this?

[prsi]

lol IRRELEVANT. All of it.

May 1st 2010. Mayweather made it very clear what Pac had to "agree" too to make the fight. Has he?

Arum said HE DID. The REAL question is, DID he actually "agree" to make the fight? Or did he "agree" to what he (Pac) wanted and threatened Floyd that he has a "PLAN B" and a deadline?

There is no counter offer, just Pac agreeing or not agreeing. Simple really. Pac wants the fight right? He knows exactly how to get it. WILL HE? He said he agreed to EVERYTHING. But did he? We will see right? if he didn't, he "ducked" (again).

You can talk all the old negotiation media hype you want. Fact is Pac walked away and went to fight in a court room rather than in a ring. FACT

I must agree to what you just said. IF in fact they agreed to what has been placed on the table then the ball in on PBF's court we will have to sit back and wait until PBF comes thru confirmimg or in denial that this will happen.

Once again it's up to Floyd now. Let's get it done!!!
Don't agree though that it was Pacman's fault to walk away.
Much respect!!!

[prsi]

At this point i'm afraid JMM-Pac III would be incredibly one-sided. Also, Pac's team said he's not going back to 140, so at a catchweight that fight would probably play out like Floyd-Marquez. Total domination.

All the other option seem so lame though. I guess Berto's the only other option worth a ****.

I agree on how you see a possible JMM-PAc III

Well rumor has it Pac wants him at 145. Mayweather was bashed for wanting him at 144. I know Floyd paid JMM so that he (Floyd) could come in over 144 but the fact was Mayweather got bashed for wanting JMM to come up to 144. Rumor has it that Pac/Roach want him one pound heavier if they fought?

Anyone else heard this?

I believe you are right. Pacman's team does not want to fight under 145 no more and I think it was Roach who said it. Not sure though.

[WESS]

I must agree to what you just said. IF in fact they agreed to what has been placed on the table then the ball in on PBF's court we will have to sit back and wait until PBF comes thru confirmimg or in denial that this will happen.

Once again it's up to Floyd now. Let's get it done!!!
Don't agree though that it was Pacman's fault to walk away.
Much respect!!!

yea, I just hope what Pac "agreed" to was something that would really get this fight made and not just something that they know Floyd would not agree too, which would then give Pac a reason to move to "plan b" which IMO seems like there intentions but I really hope I'm wrong.

Anyway, yea we need to wait and see what the "agreement" was before anyone can really say anything.