Who is more proven as a fighter/has better res?

[Guest]

Glen Johnson be old as fuck. Quit giving credit to Dawson for beating 2 guys that be old as fuck.

And don't leave out the part where Glencoffe whooped him in the first fight, despite being old as fuck.

As to your thread, Jacobs>>Cloud.

Not just in terms of skill either. Beating Clinton Woods did nothing for me regarding Cloud, especially since Clinton had a lot of good moments in that fight.

Despite being old as fuck himself.

If Jacobs wins, he finna make this a no brainer.

You know that Woods beat Johnson and Rico Hoye, right?

And not 9 years ago either.

Your gonna tell me that Ishe Smith is better than those guys? Or Michael Walker?

[Spray_resistant]

Cloud
old names are better than no names
Jacobs not accomplished anything yet
not that Cloud anything special
but he better than Danny Jacobs

Then maybe Vitali should go ahead and see if he can get LL back in the ring if that is the case.

[Heru]

I'm glad people are starting to take distinction away from titles.

That said, you are underrating Woods and Gonzalez, and overrating Smith and Walker.

Woods and Gonzalez have beaten or at least competed against good level opposition, they were B-level at 1 point. Smith might be barely touching B-level and Walker is clearly C or D. They are closer to their primes, but how much should that account for if they never actually used what you lose from old age (mainly speed, their chins looked intact).

[Guest]

I'm glad people are starting to take distinction away from titles.

That said, you are underrating Woods and Gonzalez, and overrating Smith and Walker.

Woods and Gonzalez have beaten or at least competed against good level opposition, they were B-level at 1 point. Smith might be barely touching B-level and Walker is clearly C or D. They are closer to their primes, but how much should that account for if they never actually used what you lose from old age (mainly speed, their chins looked intact).

Good post, q.

Sensible and accurate.

[Spray_resistant]

You know that Woods beat Johnson and Rico Hoye, right?

And not 9 years ago either.

Your gonna tell me that Ishe Smith is better than those guys? Or Michael Walker?

At that point honestly, about even in what they could do in their respective weight classes.

Ishe and Walker= tough journeymen

Wood and Gonzales= tough journeymen at that point, them no longer being contenders.

But hey ,Cloud does have that win over Reggie Strickland.

[JK1700]

Woods and Gonzalez were past prime but they are still far above anyone Jacobs has fought. They might be past it but were still world champions in their prime so you have to say they were better opposition.

[Dick Buffman]

you getting gangsta Jacky?
you a gorilla dog ****** Floyd fan now?
:laugh::laugh:

You know that Woods beat Johnson and Rico Hoye, right?

And not 9 years ago either.

Your gonna tell me that Ishe Smith is better than those guys? Or Michael Walker?

Considering their age, its practically equal.

[Jack Napier]

Then maybe Vitali should go ahead and see if he can get LL back in the ring if that is the case.

honestly, that would be huge if it was realistic
old, fat, retired Lennox>today's HW division, sans Haye
I see your point, but bad example

[Guest]

At that point honestly, about even in what they could do in their respective weight classes.

Ishe and Walker= tough journeymen

Wood and Gonzales= tough journeymen at that point, them no longer being contenders.

But hey ,Cloud does have that win over Reggie Strickland.

Woods and Gonzales would be the best fighter Jacobs could fight by a mile and you know it.

Ishe Smith is ****. Who the **** has he ever beat?

On the level that Woods beat or Gonzales beat.

Dude, it's not even close and you can't make a case for it.

[Dambala]

I think Cloud has the better one but not by much, after all a win against an old Woods is better than Ishe and Walker together. But yeah, they're at the same level in some ways. I'm not big on either of them but Jacobs might have a better future since he's been a bit hyped since the beginning.

Btw Cloud is just the new Jeff Lacy with less hype.