best southpaw in the game today

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Oh goodness..........

So you say all that to say that Pacquiao is more skilled than Pac.

Bro hes one of the most skilled fighters I have ever seen. Calderon is no joke.

who is the better fighter pac or calderon?

who has the beter resume pac or calderon?

who is the better fighter pac or dawson?

who has the better resume pac or dawson?


its quite simple. its pac. whoppty ****ing dooo, dawson is slick. What makes dawson, martinez, & calderon better than pac? because they have better defense? pac has better offense.



i know who you are burner. ive read your countless alt's prediction threads. you aint fooling nobody. you are a child. you dont know boxing.

VOLUME POSTING DOES NOT EQUAL BOXING KNOWLEDGE.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

who is the better fighter pac or calderon?

who has the beter resume pac or calderon?

who is the better fighter pac or dawson?

who has the better resume pac or dawson?


its quite simple. its pac. whoppty ****ing dooo, dawson is slick. What makes dawson, martinez, & calderon better than pac? because they have better defense? pac has better offense.



i know who you are burner. ive read your countless alt's prediction threads. you aint fooling nobody. you are a child. you dont know boxing.

VOLUME POSTING DOES NOT EQUAL BOXING KNOWLEDGE.

We are arguing skills.

No one said Calderon should be P4P Number 1. Stick to the topic save the childish insults.

Calderon is more skilled than Pac and its sad people have to tel you this.

[jrosales13]

What attributes would you say consists of a boxers skill set? So I can see where you are coming from?

I'm not trying to start mess, just to get that out of the way first.


Please list Pacquiao's skill set. No need for a long explaination, just a simple list of his skill set.

yeah even though i put martinez in my top 5 and left pac out you post made me think about it and they are about the same with pac maybe being a little better, martinez skillset is so overrated he just looks good doing what he does. I strongly disagree with you saying dirrell isnt more skilled than pac, in your opinion can you explain pacs skill set?

Pac volume punching is a skillset, Pac in and out ability is a skillset, Pac jab is underrated, he has a solid jab, and he uses it in different ways, he uses it as a range finder and also to set up his shots, Pac defense is underrated. Not saying he is great but people act like his jab and defense is not existent, offensively he is dynamite, he is explosive. offensive it counts as skills Offensively neither Calderon, nor, Dirrell bring the offensive force that Pac brings. Intangibles IMO are also skillset, from chin to heart, to toughness. Pac has that.

Somebody mentioned JMM. Tremendous skilled fighter. I would say he is more skilled than Pac. But, Pac can't do what he did to Barrera and fought competitive against JMM without being tremendously skilled fighter. Pac skills are underrated. Overall skill set. If you just want to mention the best defensive fighters. Then go again and Pac won't make top 10. But, if you talking about overall skills Pac>Dirrell, Martinez the only guy I would put ahead of Pac is Dawson and I think Calderon and Bute would be debatable.

[jrosales13]

We are arguing skills.

No one said Calderon should be P4P Number 1. Stick to the topic save the childish insults.

Calderon is more skilled than Pac and its sad people have to tel you this.

How is Calderon offensively better than Pac?

[F l i c k e r]

In all honesty, Zab Judah is the most skilled southpaw in the game right now.


Yup, I said it.


I just wish he had a better trainer and more heart.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

We are arguing skills.

No one said Calderon should be P4P Number 1. Stick to the topic save the childish insults.

Calderon is more skilled than Pac and its sad people have to tel you this.

How is Calderon offensively better than Pac?

this is what im talking about. i feel like katie couric asking glen beck to explain what "white culture" is.


again burner, calderon is a better defensive fighter, pac the better offensive fighter.

defensive skills is separate from offensive skills.



who is the better fighter period?


pac or calderon?

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How is Calderon offensively better than Pac?

lol, it wasn't directed towards me but. He isn't.

In no way shape or form is Calderon even 1/3 of Pacquiao's offense.

But the same could be said for the Pacquiao's defense to Calderon's.

They are both polarized though. I wouldn't rate either at the top of an "overall" skill list. Even if it's just southpaws.

[jrosales13]

lol, it wasn't directed towards me but. He isn't.

In no way shape or form is Calderon even 1/3 of Pacquiao's offense.

But the same could be said for the Pacquiao's defense to Calderon's.

They are both polarized though. I wouldn't rate either at the top of an "overall" skill list. Even if it's just southpaws.

Fair enough. And, I respect that opinion. And, that is all I am saying. If we are talking about overall then you have to look at everything.

It just seemed to me that people were only looking at fighters that are flashy or defensive wizards and that is it. Not really looking at the overall aspect.

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Pac volume punching is a skillset, Pac in and out ability is a skillset, Pac jab is underrated, he has a solid jab, and he uses it in different ways, he uses it as a range finder and also to set up his shots, Pac defense is underrated. Not saying he is great but people act like his jab and defense is not existent, offensively he is dynamite, he is explosive. offensive it counts as skills Offensively neither Calderon, nor, Dirrell bring the offensive force that Pac brings. Intangibles IMO are also skillset, from chin to heart, to toughness. Pac has that.

Somebody mentioned JMM. Tremendous skilled fighter. I would say he is more skilled than Pac. But, Pac can't do what he did to Barrera and fought competitive against JMM without being tremendously skilled fighter. Pac skills are underrated. Overall skill set. If you just want to mention the best defensive fighters. Then go again and Pac won't make top 10. But, if you talking about overall skills Pac>Dirrell, Martinez the only guy I would put ahead of Pac is Dawson and I think Calderon and Bute would be debatable.

I think Volume punching is more of a style than a skill set. No one throws more punches than Paul Williams but I wouldn't say hes really what you call a skilled fighter.

I think in and out ability is foot work. What Pac does is more of a style thing. The in and out movements the bouncing up and down thats a style thing IMO. Having great footwork to me is just that having great feet.

On Pacs jab. I never thought he had a good jab. I always looked as his jab as what you call a "blinding or distracting" jab. He just puts it out there not really to land or measure but just to distract you from whats next. The left hand.

On his defense I dont think its very good at all. Just like Paul Williams defense. They both get hit at will. Even Clottey had some success landing on Pac...when he actually threw punches. His right hand seemed like it couldn't miss and Pacs face after the fight showed that. JMM landed whenever he felt like it over the course of their two battles. Larios had success. Cotto landed alot.

I think if we say being explosive is a skill set than a guy like Berto is elite in that category. Whos more explosive than him? When you look at it like that. Pac is very fast I agree with that and that is a skill set.

What Pac did to Barerra was dominate him using alot of punches and power. It wasnt like eh "out boxed" him. MAB did himself no favors by fighting Pacs fight. Look at Williams he beat the dog **** out of Winky.I still dont think it was an outboxing. Guys like Margarito kick ass without being that skilled. Hatton also comes to mind. So does Froch.

We have different classifications of skill I wouldnt say intagibles are skills if thats the case the guy I keep bringing up Williams (for a reason) must be elite "chin, heart and toughness" Paul has that...mastered..lol.

I always look at Pac as a brawler with very fast hands and good power. Like Margarito with blazing handspeed and fast feet. If I saw a fighter like that I wouldnt consider him all that skilled. I would say hes the most skilled brawler though.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

How is Calderon offensively better than Pac?

When did I ever say he was? I never did.

However in that same case Williams must be the best fighter offensive fighter in the sport.