Could Eubank./Benn beaten Hopkins?

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

I do believe Roy faced the better comp when they had met, but Hopkins was not green at all. People talk like he was a rook when he had been in the boxing game for YEARS.

My point is, although Hopkins did improve, his improvement would not have mattered vs Roy because he would have HAD to use the same style he used vs Roy in 93 if they had fought again.

I am in the belied that Hopkins would have stopped Tito and DLH in 1993 just as he did when he was older. I just think it is played out and bought into too much how people say Hopkins improved so much after Roy. I don' think so. A lot of it is no one he fought after Roy was as good as Roy, so you had a chance to see just how good Hopkins was all along (to some degree, because yes I do agree Hopkins boxing skills increased some after Roy, but probably not as much as you do).

Yeah I guess we'll just agree to disagree again. We've been doing that a lot lately huh...haha.

[oldgringo]

I do believe Roy faced the better comp when they had met, but Hopkins was not green at all. People talk like he was a rook when he had been in the boxing game for YEARS.

My point is, although Hopkins did improve, his improvement would not have mattered vs Roy because he would have HAD to use the same style he used vs Roy in 93 if they had fought again.

I am in the belied that Hopkins would have stopped Tito and DLH in 1993 just as he did when he was older. I just think it is played out and bought into too much how people say Hopkins improved so much after Roy. I don' think so. A lot of it is no one he fought after Roy was as good as Roy, so you had a chance to see just how good Hopkins was all along (to some degree, because yes I do agree Hopkins boxing skills increased some after Roy, but probably not as much as you do).

Yeah I guess we'll just agree to disagree again. We've been doing that a lot lately huh...haha.

I can acknowledge that Hopkins had been in the game for a long time and had a great amateur career, but his pro competition to the point that he fought Roy was very very weak.

I really do think that he improved a lot after Roy and he really shored up his defensive/inside game. I think it speaks volumes that he was being taken to the limit by guys like Mercado, but he was never in trouble against guys like Trinidad and Echols. Mercado was a nice puncher, but never really amounted to anything, and wasn't nearly on the level of the aforementioned fighters (even though Echols was kind of a bust too). I don't think it's so much that he improved his natural skills or punching. I think it has more to do that he drastically refined the abilities that he already possessed and he really mastered every little facet of the game.

Anyway, the whole agreeing to disagree thing is fine. It's just friendly banter. I respect your opinion even if it differs from mine...but its just that my opinion is better. muhahaha

[JUYJUY]

It's weird because I'm looking at the lists of Golden Gloves finalists and all the US Under-19 finalsists and Bernard Hopkins' name doesn't come up anywhere.. maybe they were all prison bouts as an amateur?

[FistoftheDallasStar]

Hopkins has beaten the fighters that he has fought save for RJJ. That's all you can do as a fighter is to win fights. I do think the competition has been worse than the fighters in 80's and 90's faced but that's not Hop's fault. Benn would give Bernard problems though. He took massive blows from McClellan and still came back ****ing. I don't recall Hopkins ever facing that type of fighter before. I believe it would be a close fight that could go either way. I haven't seen many fights of Eubank though other than the match he had with Benn so I can't really comment on him.

[scap]

It's weird because I'm looking at the lists of Golden Gloves finalists and all the US Under-19 finalsists and Bernard Hopkins' name doesn't come up anywhere.. maybe they were all prison bouts as an amateur?

So in summary if you are not a golden gloves champ or an under 19 US Amatuer stud your pro career is missing something?

[JUYJUY]

What non-prison tournaments did he take part in, if any?