Could Eubank./Benn beaten Hopkins?

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Julian Jackson
Nigel Benn
MikeMcCallum
Chris Eubank
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Roy Jones-Nard fought like a ***** not an executioner
Sumbu Kalambay
Thomas Tate
Gerald McClellan
Michael Watson
Herol Grahm

I dont know if they could have beaten Hopkins but I look at his list of middleweight title defenses and ther are no middleweights on the list that impress me. Sure Oscar and Tito are great fighters but does anyone want to argue they are real middleweights. NArd is many peoples p4p #1 fighter and he got there by beating welterweights.

I dont know who of the list above would or could have beaten him (besides Jones who outclassed him) but each of the guys above are better than any fighter Nard has defended his title against. He is a great fighter no doubt but he is fortunate because he has never faced any formidable middleweight except Jones and we all now how that went.

[JUYJUY]

Julian Jackson
Nigel Benn
MikeMcCallum
Chris Eubank
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Roy Jones-Nard fought like a ***** not an executioner
Sumbu Kalambay
Thomas Tate
Gerald McClellan
Michael Watson
Herol Grahm

I dont know if they could have beaten Hopkins but I look at his list of middleweight title defenses and ther are no middleweights on the list that impress me. Sure Oscar and Tito are great fighters but does anyone want to argue they are real middleweights. NArd is many peoples p4p #1 fighter and he got there by beating welterweights.

I dont know who of the list above would or could have beaten him (besides Jones who outclassed him) but each of the guys above are better than any fighter Nard has defended his title against. He is a great fighter no doubt but he is fortunate because he has never faced any formidable middleweight except Jones and we all now how that went.

It's good that you admit the truth..

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It's good that you admit the truth..

Juuj Im an equal opportunity kind of guy!

[Slipx]

he has never faced any formidable middleweight except Jones and we all now how that went.

when nard fought jones he was a totally different fighter. he was using a style that wasnt right for him, a guy with great reflexes and long arms like that should not be an aggressive fighter like he was trying to be. a guy like that is much better looking to start out slow and counterpunch


id bet on today's bernard against yesteryear's roy jones any time


Edit- not to mention the fact that jones has been boxing his whole life and nard just started at age 25ish

i actually think nard did okay for being so inexperienced..

[realheavyhands]

The Man 40 Years Old If He Beat Jermain Taylor At 40... Damn...and Taylor Weighed 175 On The Hbo Scale Last Fight...

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Jones Hopkins Scores Was 116 112 On All Three Cards Thats Prety Damn Close Cuz Hopkins Wasnt Even In His Prime

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when nard fought jones he was a totally different fighter. he was using a style that wasnt right for him, a guy with great reflexes and long arms like that should not be an aggressive fighter like he was trying to be. a guy like that is much better looking to start out slow and counterpunch


id bet on today's bernard against yesteryear's roy jones any time


Edit- not to mention the fact that jones has been boxing his whole life and nard just started at age 25ish

i actually think nard did okay for being so inexperienced..

Todays Nard vs. yesterdays Jones...I dont know about that...there is ahuge difference in hand speed and I dont need to tell you who comes out on top in that department.

Boxing Jones from the outside and counterpunching like you suggest would be one tall order-hell the first 6 rounds vs. Oscar were basically a draw, I gotta believe Jones Jr would better that. I would go with Roy in an even more boring fight then their first...

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Jones Hopkins Scores Was 116 112 On All Three Cards Thats Prety Damn Close Cuz Hopkins Wasnt Even In His Prime

That is really an over-simplification of their fight, believe me.

The thing is, Hopkins as a PRESSURE fighter in 1993 was pretty much as good as he ever was as a PRESSURE fighter. To beat Roy, he tried to apply lots of pressure, and would use the same tactic vs Roy in any other year. Roy is just too good for Hopkins, as a result. Hopkins increasing his boxing skills with age (to SOME degree; Hopkins was by no means "green" when he fought Roy as some would like to believe...he just fought people who were less skilled than Roy after 1993) does not mean he beats Roy, or even that the fight is any closer. Hopkins wouldn't be outboxing Jones anyway and we already saw, as I stated earlier, what happened when Hopkins pressured him all night.

Also, you must take into account that Jones improved some after 1993 as well.

So in my opinion, a rematch would have just been more of the same, and 8-4 decision for Roy, and maybe even bigger than that if Hopkins thinks of trying to outbox Roy.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Hopkins did have an amatuer career, and an extensive one. He had 99 fights and went 95-4, and also fought boxing tournaments in prison. Also, he had more pro fights than Roy had when him and Roy met for the title in 1993.

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SL, we disagree once again. You know that Hopkins wasn't NEARLY the fighter in '93 that he was in say, '98-'00.

Hopkins had fought 0 live fighters before Jones, so he was extremely untested and was very green. If you can prove this wrong then please, be my guest.

I'll be damned if the Hopkins that KOed Echols with one arm, or the Hopkins that dominated and KOed Trinidad, would be dropped twice by Segundo Mercado. I'll also be damned if he lost to the middleweight version of Roy that decisively too.

It'd be a close decision either way IMO, but all things considered, I'd still lean towards a close Jones decision.


EDIT: Roy had already faced decent tests before he fought Hopkins. Castro was lightyears ahead of anyone that Hopkins had faced to that point.