Your Analysis of Mayweather Vs Pacquiao

[Vadrigar.]

answer is PBF should sign the paper.

and lets go to fight.

and we will see what will happen.

what do you think of the points I made though?

[fabie]

Cut and Paste from different Threads I have posted....Keys for this mythical fight.

This was a cut and paste on a thread about why "Pacquiao and Roach using unknown sparring partners and why"...this is relevant to how I see this mythical Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.....too much to retype thus the cut and paste.

I think that most people doesn't realize is that NO ONE can actually be like Mayweather but what Roach is doing (and he is doing just great) is to work with specific attributes and applying his strategy with "quick fisted fighters"...

I think that his ways of teaching is really conducive to the way Pacquiao works, his psyche, his body...and not only Pacquiao believes him, he adores him. Pacquiao is a tireless worker and competitor and Roach can see that in him.

Having said that, the contrasting styles between the Pacquiao and Mayweather really pose for the classical fighters and "how to beat" both. This would mark as something really substantial and to the degree or magnitude of what is at stake in this level of boxing is astounding and mostly intruiging.

I don't care much for the drama but for purely the technicalities of both fighters' approach and style: The Pugilist boxer in Mayweather and the Pugilist Slugger in Pacquiao.

I couldn't believe how Pacquiao transformed from a relatively tactical fighter from the outside and now into a full blown slugger with a twist. He isn't just a rock-em-sock-em robot but with a strategy.

Having said that, Mayweather would still pose great challenges....namely, his jabs, footwork, shoulder rolls, and great defensive skills all capped by his squirrel-like quickness and timing.

My take is how Pacquiao can:

• cut Mayweather off the jab
• counter jabs
• assault Mayweather with his quick footworks

And I think Pacquiao would have to:

• use the right hook AND left cross/hook a lot inorder to counter off the jab
• use footwork and cutting angles outside of Mayweather's left jab
• lateral movements and move to Mayweahter's right cross
• the KILLER LEFT (the cross, the hook and the new famed HOOKERCUT)
• use jabs more

I think those are the keys. While with Mayweather, I think he would look for:

• Catch Pacquiao flatfooted with a jab AND double jabs
• Right cross
• lateral movements mainly to his LEFT and Pacquiao's RIGHT side
• Jab and clinch
• Work him tirelessly from the outside
• lunging left hooks

Having said those, this would be a real megafight, but I am also reserving myself towards a disappointing fight should one of them could actually dominate this fight. It isn't far fetch.

Either fighter can in one fight.

Here's to a great fight and hopefully entertain us to no limit! I am a Pacquiao fan obviously but I am also a Mayweather fan in terms of technicalities. I love Ali's style, the jab and the cross, the footworks.

This was posted from another thread by me when asked "how can Pacquiao dominate Mayweather"....too much to retype thus I have to cut and paste.

If Pacquiao can cut off the ring effectively and much more if he timed his IN-AND-OUT efficiently....then he can dominate Floyd.

But that remains to be seen. As a fan of the JAB and shuffling a la' ALI in Floyd while also being a Pacquiao fan, this will be THE fight of the century.

I am thinking that Pacquiao would have to be in his absolute best with flawless footwork to get in and hit Floyd with great leverage. In that light I can see Pacquiao struggling.

Until Pacquiao lands and hurts Floyd that would or could entice Floyd into a brawl that would obviously give Pacquiao the nod of the fight.

But Pacquiao is deliciously savvy and on the roll. If he can do both his lateral "Triangular" footwork and outside of Floyd's jab AND outside Floyd's Right Cross....then Pacquiao would eat him alive.

But that remains to be seen. Mayweather's quick and darting jabs can also neutralize Pacquiao then clinching.



This was posted on a thread long ago by me...on the issue of "how can Floyd avoid or deter Pacquiao's RIGHT HOOK"....hard to retype all of these and relevant to this threa.

The key, I think for FLOYD is to:

• LEFT JAB as a quick counter while moving laterally to his left. Meaning to "counter" while connecting first.

• Shoulder Roll while leaning to his right as the opponent's RIGHT HOOK is about to land on his left

• Beat the opponent to the punch with his right cross

• Leaning back (upper body)

• Left Guard up (instead of low)

• Bob and Weave to the left and under the Right Hook a la' Pacquiao's Duck and Roll to Hatton's wide left hook or jab

• Beating his opponent's left hook with a sharp and snappy left hook (inside) or a left uppercut...

I just listed or rather exhausted the possibilities of what Floyd CAN do. But in most probability, his well-timed left jab is the most effective while using the footwork and lateral movements to get away from Pacquiao's counters. But if Floyd lands his jabs well, then he either just follow it up with a RIGHT CROSS or just double up on his jab.

Landing those would, in most cases, nullify anyone's RIGHT HOOK or anyone's attack. I said, in most cases....thus a variation of the Left Jab and it's timing/angles are the key for unpredictability.

I think this would be the most that Freddie Roach would study on how Floyd throws his jab. Freddie Roach is looking for habits and patterns, such as:

• Does Floyd do anything such as tapping his gloves before jabbing.

Obviously he doesn't but that is just an example. Most of the time, Floyd would throw his left jab from a stance where his left arm is low on his midsection level (or throw the lunging left hook) while the right arm is always on guard to deter any punches to Floyd's right side in conjunction with his left shoulder (see shoulder roll).

Floyd's footwork is empeccable. The timing of his jabs are such that upon landing the jab, he recoils very quickly with his feet already on a transition towards his lateral left, right or backwards.

Therefore I see Freddie Roach studying the head-on LEFT JAB counters with Pacquiao's right hook to the head or body, right upper cut....or the usual Left Cross to the head, Left hook, left uppercut or the left hookercut (see Cotto going down on the 3th round).

From my own humble observation, I can see Pacquiao going on the outside of Floyd's left foot on a 45 degree before even Floyd throws his jab. This is a typical FMA (Filipino Martial art - Kali/escrima/arnis which I am practicing) positioning inorder to cut the opponent with a left lead...

I can see possibilities of Pacquiao throwing the right hook to Floyd's left rib or left side of the face or even a right uppercut. Then of course, the usual bread and butter weapon, HIS LEFT CROSS or LEFT UPPERCUT or LEFT HOOK. (either to the face or body).

Timing is obviously a crucial issue and so is the footwork involved with it. That is why I know Freddie Roach is very much concerned about teaching Pacquiao the way to "cut" Floyd outside inorder to be the aggressor and putting Floyd on the utmost defensive.

I can also see lateral movement to the left (bob and weaving) Floyd's RIGHT CROSS, then going with Pacquiao's left hook to the body and going upstairs with the left hook.

Many possibilities...

I see this fight as a salivating feast for an armchair boxer in me...while being a practitioner or student of the FMA and JKD...

[Vadrigar.]

This was a cut and paste on a thread about why "Pacquiao and Roach using unknown sparring partners and why"...this is relevant to how I see this mythical Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.....too much to retype thus the cut and paste.

I think that most people doesn't realize is that NO ONE can actually be like Mayweather but what Roach is doing (and he is doing just great) is to work with specific attributes and applying his strategy with "quick fisted fighters"...

I think that his ways of teaching is really conducive to the way Pacquiao works, his psyche, his body...and not only Pacquiao believes him, he adores him. Pacquiao is a tireless worker and competitor and Roach can see that in him.

Having said that, the contrasting styles between the Pacquiao and Mayweather really pose for the classical fighters and "how to beat" both. This would mark as something really substantial and to the degree or magnitude of what is at stake in this level of boxing is astounding and mostly intruiging.

I don't care much for the drama but for purely the technicalities of both fighters' approach and style: The Pugilist boxer in Mayweather and the Pugilist Slugger in Pacquiao.

I couldn't believe how Pacquiao transformed from a relatively tactical fighter from the outside and now into a full blown slugger with a twist. He isn't just a rock-em-sock-em robot but with a strategy.

Having said that, Mayweather would still pose great challenges....namely, his jabs, footwork, shoulder rolls, and great defensive skills all capped by his squirrel-like quickness and timing.

My take is how Pacquiao can:

• cut Mayweather off the jab
• counter jabs
• assault Mayweather with his quick footworks

And I think Pacquiao would have to:

• use the right hook AND left cross/hook a lot inorder to counter off the jab
• use footwork and cutting angles outside of Mayweather's left jab
• lateral movements and move to Mayweahter's right cross
• the KILLER LEFT (the cross, the hook and the new famed HOOKERCUT)
• use jabs more

I think those are the keys. While with Mayweather, I think he would look for:

• Catch Pacquiao flatfooted with a jab AND double jabs
• Right cross
• lateral movements mainly to his LEFT and Pacquiao's RIGHT side
• Jab and clinch
• Work him tirelessly from the outside
• lunging left hooks

Having said those, this would be a real megafight, but I am also reserving myself towards a disappointing fight should one of them could actually dominate this fight. It isn't far fetch.

Either fighter can in one fight.

Here's to a great fight and hopefully entertain us to no limit! I am a Pacquiao fan obviously but I am also a Mayweather fan in terms of technicalities. I love Ali's style, the jab and the cross, the footworks.

This was posted from another thread by me when asked "how can Pacquiao dominate Mayweather"....too much to retype thus I have to cut and paste.

If Pacquiao can cut off the ring effectively and much more if he timed his IN-AND-OUT efficiently....then he can dominate Floyd.

But that remains to be seen. As a fan of the JAB and shuffling a la' ALI in Floyd while also being a Pacquiao fan, this will be THE fight of the century.

I am thinking that Pacquiao would have to be in his absolute best with flawless footwork to get in and hit Floyd with great leverage. In that light I can see Pacquiao struggling.

Until Pacquiao lands and hurts Floyd that would or could entice Floyd into a brawl that would obviously give Pacquiao the nod of the fight.

But Pacquiao is deliciously savvy and on the roll. If he can do both his lateral "Triangular" footwork and outside of Floyd's jab AND outside Floyd's Right Cross....then Pacquiao would eat him alive.

But that remains to be seen. Mayweather's quick and darting jabs can also neutralize Pacquiao then clinching.



This was posted on a thread long ago by me...on the issue of "how can Floyd avoid or deter Pacquiao's RIGHT HOOK"....hard to retype all of these and relevant to this threa.

The key, I think for FLOYD is to:

• LEFT JAB as a quick counter while moving laterally to his left. Meaning to "counter" while connecting first.

• Shoulder Roll while leaning to his right as the opponent's RIGHT HOOK is about to land on his left

• Beat the opponent to the punch with his right cross

• Leaning back (upper body)

• Left Guard up (instead of low)

• Bob and Weave to the left and under the Right Hook a la' Pacquiao's Duck and Roll to Hatton's wide left hook or jab

• Beating his opponent's left hook with a sharp and snappy left hook (inside) or a left uppercut...

I just listed or rather exhausted the possibilities of what Floyd CAN do. But in most probability, his well-timed left jab is the most effective while using the footwork and lateral movements to get away from Pacquiao's counters. But if Floyd lands his jabs well, then he either just follow it up with a RIGHT CROSS or just double up on his jab.

Landing those would, in most cases, nullify anyone's RIGHT HOOK or anyone's attack. I said, in most cases....thus a variation of the Left Jab and it's timing/angles are the key for unpredictability.

I think this would be the most that Freddie Roach would study on how Floyd throws his jab. Freddie Roach is looking for habits and patterns, such as:

• Does Floyd do anything such as tapping his gloves before jabbing.

Obviously he doesn't but that is just an example. Most of the time, Floyd would throw his left jab from a stance where his left arm is low on his midsection level (or throw the lunging left hook) while the right arm is always on guard to deter any punches to Floyd's right side in conjunction with his left shoulder (see shoulder roll).

Floyd's footwork is empeccable. The timing of his jabs are such that upon landing the jab, he recoils very quickly with his feet already on a transition towards his lateral left, right or backwards.

Therefore I see Freddie Roach studying the head-on LEFT JAB counters with Pacquiao's right hook to the head or body, right upper cut....or the usual Left Cross to the head, Left hook, left uppercut or the left hookercut (see Cotto going down on the 3th round).

From my own humble observation, I can see Pacquiao going on the outside of Floyd's left foot on a 45 degree before even Floyd throws his jab. This is a typical FMA (Filipino Martial art - Kali/escrima/arnis which I am practicing) positioning inorder to cut the opponent with a left lead...

I can see possibilities of Pacquiao throwing the right hook to Floyd's left rib or left side of the face or even a right uppercut. Then of course, the usual bread and butter weapon, HIS LEFT CROSS or LEFT UPPERCUT or LEFT HOOK. (either to the face or body).

Timing is obviously a crucial issue and so is the footwork involved with it. That is why I know Freddie Roach is very much concerned about teaching Pacquiao the way to "cut" Floyd outside inorder to be the aggressor and putting Floyd on the utmost defensive.

I can also see lateral movement to the left (bob and weaving) Floyd's RIGHT CROSS, then going with Pacquiao's left hook to the body and going upstairs with the left hook.

Many possibilities...

I see this fight as a salivating feast for an armchair boxer in me...while being a practitioner or student of the FMA and JKD...

lol this post is a thread in itself. We have two for one in here.

Excellent job.

[fabie]

lol this post is a thread in itself. We have two for one in here.

Excellent job.

Thanks much. I have been deliberating on how to respond to your thread without being biased and thought of my past postings and just do a CUT AND PASTE.

As a fan/student of the pugilistic arts of boxing, it is much a joy to dissect both fighters and hopefully they would fight. I know I will get my popcorn and then some.

I am already salivating at the thought!

[fabie]

This fight is to me, the NEW MUHAMMAD ALI v JOE FRAZIER....wherein Floyd is ALI and Pacquiao is Frazier. (relatively with their styles)...

I can't wait...please Floyd...please Manny. Just agree and fight for the AGES!

[Vadrigar.]

This fight is to me, the NEW MUHAMMAD ALI v JOE FRAZIER....wherein Floyd is ALI and Pacquiao is Frazier. (relatively with their styles)...

I can't wait...please Floyd...please Manny. Just agree and fight for the AGES!

Recently watched ALi vs frazier I and I was totally blown away. It certainly lives up to it's name as the "fight of the century". Lets hope floyd-pac can emulate this greatness.

Am I right in saying that nearly all pac fans are Ali fans aswell? It's a correlation I've noticed.

[| THE KING |]

Thanks much. I have been deliberating on how to respond to your thread without being biased and thought of my past postings and just do a CUT AND PASTE.

As a fan/student of the pugilistic arts of boxing, it is much a joy to dissect both fighters and hopefully they would fight. I know I will get my popcorn and then some.

I am already salivating at the thought!

Excellent analysis.. and that's an understatement. Well thought out and unbiased.

[fabie]

Recently watched ALi vs frazier I and I was totally blown away. It certainly lives up to it's name as the "fight of the century". Lets hope floyd-pac can emulate this greatness.

Am I right in saying that nearly all pac fans are Ali fans aswell? It's a correlation I've noticed.

Mainly because of the THRILLA IN MANILA...one of the most storied sequels in history happened there. And due to the admiration, they even built an ALI MALL back then...late 70s.

I was mesmerized with his charisma, presence, good looks and cannot be helped by the throngs of fans chanting "ALI! ALI! ALI!"...but for me it is beyond the fanfare. I love boxing and it's art to the core.

And Ali to me, is still the greatest. (thus loved the signature pics of yours with Ali in there)

[fabie]

Excellent analysis.. and that's an understatement. Well thought out and unbiased.

Thanks much Kabayan....

Let's redeem ourselves from the ******* stigma slapped on us. Not all Filipino boxing fans are *******S. I am indeed a big fan of Pacquiao but needless to say Mayweather is also one of the very best.

I'd like to see this without much hype and fanfare and on the strictly pugilistic level. I really hate the "wrestling atmosphere" and don't care much about what is popular.

I am a fan of boxing. Period. No more no less. But with the slant on my past studies of Kali/Escrima/Arnis and Jeet Kune Do. Now into the more relaxed Tai Chi, this has helped me to use the mind instead of anger.

Likewise we all boxing fans shouldn't snipe at one another and calling each other names. (sure it's fun and I admit I do from time to time) But when it comes to boxing and the time is right, then everything is just the side dish.

The main entreé is the boxing fight in itself. No nationalities, allegiances and what nots....just 2 super fighters in the ring.

That is all...and that's the way it is supposed to be.

LET's GET THIS THING GOING!

[| THE KING |]

Thanks much Kabayan....

Let's redeem ourselves from the ******* stigma slapped on us. Not all Filipino boxing fans are *******S. I am indeed a big fan of Pacquiao but needless to say Mayweather is also one of the very best.

I'd like to see this without much hype and fanfare and on the strictly pugilistic level. I really hate the "wrestling atmosphere" and don't care much about what is popular.

I am a fan of boxing. Period. No more no less. But with the slant on my past studies of Kali/Escrima/Arnis and Jeet Kune Do. Now into the more relaxed Tai Chi, this has helped me to use the mind instead of anger.

Likewise we all boxing fans shouldn't snipe at one another and calling each other names. (sure it's fun and I admit I do from time to time) But when it comes to boxing and the time is right, then everything is just the side dish.

The main entreé is the boxing fight in itself. No nationalities, allegiances and what nots....just 2 super fighters in the ring.

That is all...and that's the way it is supposed to be.

LET's GET THIS THING GOING!

Agreed pare!..

You know how it is here though. Just a bunch of posters having fun.. just some take it personal for some reason.

At the end of the day (i have said this from time to time), this fight is very hard to call. I would like to call it 50/50 with even a slight edge to mayweather because of his defensive adjustments and underrated offense. However, I think people also tend to underrate Mannys boxing abilities. You don't destroy the fighters he has been running through (making them look like sparring partners) without boxing abilities. Manny is just as elite as mayweather, but more on the offensive spectrum.

Just waiting for the fight to be signed.