Do you think Arthur Abraham did it on purpose?

[hitman92]

I think he was getting so frustrated with Dirrell whooping his ass, and the borderline "lowblows", and Dirrell hopping around the ring where he couldn't catch him that it all boiled over and he fouled him purposely.
Dirrell was making him look bad I think he was embarrased to say the least.

i think so too.
of course it was in the heat of the moment but that was not like a normal punch. that was even lower than a low blow, he had to reach down to punch him.

[Hitman932]

Also lets all take into account, after Gary Shaw delivered that famous line, Abraham yet again complained to the referee about a low blow.

Abraham signaled to the referee and turned his back to Dirrell. What does Dirrell do? Swings for Abrahams head while his back is to him. What makes that so different?

Are you implying that everytime a fighter complains to the ref about a legal scoring punch that the other fighter should be obligated to take a step back and let him recover?

Jesus Christ I sure hope not, that'd be about the dumbest thing I had read in 6 years on this forum.

[Bierstadt]

Also lets all take into account, after Gary Shaw delivered that famous line, Abraham yet again complained to the referee about a low blow.

Abraham signaled to the referee and turned his back to Dirrell. What does Dirrell do? Swings for Abrahams head while his back is to him. What makes that so different?

Protect yourself at all times. Abraham wasn't protecting himself. You can't just turn around any time you want and expect the fight to halt. That being said, I thought what Dirrell did was a bit dirty. Had that clean punch connected on an unassuming AA God know what would've happened. And I am sure there wouldn't be nearly as much buzz as when Abraham actually landed a similar, admittedly illegal punch, on Dirrell.

Abraham was fair game when he was complaining, Dirrell wasn't when he slipped. And I'm obviously an Abraham fan.

[SUPREME.]

What you're aren't understanding is, if someone complains to the ref about a low blow to no avail, it's perfectly legal if you go after him. Watch that round again, Dirrell did NOT go after the back of Abraham's head.

But my point is, if someone slips you are not allowed to hit them, but if someone is standing and the ref does not intervene it's legal.

Big difference.

[SUPREME.]

Of course he did it on purpose. He had a chance to do some damage in the 10th round and couldn't land another significant punch after Dirrell was down.

If you watch the 11th round Abraham had not landed a single punch in the round before he maliciously fouled Dirrell out of sheer frustration.

Also, look at the 4th round when Dirrell knocks Abraham down. You see how Dirrell landed a clean punch to the body, Abraham complains to no avail, then he swings wildly out of frustration ONLY to get knocked down which would cause more frustration.

Abraham was getting outboxed and outclassed, plus he was upset the referee wasn't kissing his ass.

He did it on purpose.

[Hitman932]

Abraham was fair game when he was complaining, Dirrell wasn't when he slipped. And I'm obviously an Abraham fan.

This is really all that needs to be said. Abraham's complaining was excessive and Dirrell was very sportsmanlike in only attacking him once out of the 8-10 times that Abraham complained and turned to the ref.

I'm not gonna go railing on about people never being in the ring and being too dumb to judge but I will say that I have trained on and off in boxing gyms and sparred other amateur level guys in rings that weren't worth a **** while wearing shoes that weren't made for boxing. Guys slip and fall quite a bit under those conditions and you know damn well when they are down. I know AA was in the heat of the moment but I can also guarantee you that people slip and fall in front on him in training all the time and he probably has not knocked any of them unconscious.

I knew when a guy was down and when it was not alright to punch, I refuse to believe that a professional fighter with Abraham's resume hasn't developed those same instincts to a much higher level.

[keepthemhandsup]

What you're aren't understanding is, if someone complains to the ref about a low blow to no avail, it's perfectly legal if you go after him. Watch that round again, Dirrell did NOT go after the back of Abraham's head.

But my point is, if someone slips you are not allowed to hit them, but if someone is standing and the ref does not intervene it's legal.

Big difference.

the ref was about to call it a slip but Abraham hit him before the ref could say anything!

anyways i don't think he did it on purpose, i think abraham was just frustrated and tried to hit him so i mean he was punch happy at that time imo

[Hitman932]

Just to be clear. Doing something because you are very frustrated does not mean that you did not do it on purpose.

[Dick Buffman]

No. But he was robbed of a k.o win on purpose.

[Hitman932]

No. But he was robbed of a k.o win on purpose.

Whatever the hell that means. Dirrell should have gotten 3 points for kicking his ass so bad that he Dq'd himself on purpose.