Simple poll on Wlad's & George Foreman's punching power...

[Schmerzen]

if this was really the case, sam peter wouldnt be alive today, he ate wlads punches like m&m's for 12rounds

[IMDAZED]

I know the polls haven't closed but I think we can project a winner here.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Ok I'll look at whole careers. Foreman's resume includes fighting through the 70's and late 80's-90's two extremely stacked eras in HW boxing (70's probably the toughest of all time). Wlad, fighting in probably the weakest ever era not to mention he has some 25 or so less fights than Big George.

Guess that extra 3% KO rate is teh proof.

I think that is a subjective measure, the HW division back during Foreman's time did not include all of these ex-Soviets (Soviet at that time). And on average, Wlad is fighting bigger guys, which once again translates to more power that is needed to knock them down/out/stop the fight.

I think what's really hurting Wlad's image for US fans is the fact that a lot of his wins come by way ref stoppages or quittage or corner stoppages. These don't look as spectacular as pure KOs (like the Calvin Brock or Eddie Chambers KOs). But there should be no doubt, if the ref didn't step in or the corner didn't pull the plug, those guys would be permanently injured. Did we really need to see Rahman or Brewster II get battered some more to know that Wlad would have gotten the KO? Personally, I would, just cause I like to see that and I think the casual fan thinks like that as well. I think if the refs these days let fights go one like they did back in Ali's days, you would see a lot more people tune in into boxing. For the casual fan, it's highly anti-climactic to see Wlad completly dominate his opponent for 10 rounds, see a couple of knock downs, and then have the ref call it off right before Wlad finishes the guy.

[Left Hook Tua]

I know the polls haven't closed but I think we can project a winner here.

wlad?..........

[Mr. Mandingo]

I know the polls haven't closed but I think we can project a winner here.

MmuhammadM has over 30alts here, so he's not even finished voting for "No".

[WladIsTheChamp]

I think that is a subjective measure, the HW division back during Foreman's time did not include all of these ex-Soviets (Soviet at that time). And on average, Wlad is fighting bigger guys, which once again translates to more power that is needed to knock them down/out/stop the fight.

I think what's really hurting Wlad's image for US fans is the fact that a lot of his wins come by way ref stoppages or quittage or corner stoppages. These don't look as spectacular as pure KOs (like the Calvin Brock or Eddie Chambers KOs). But there should be no doubt, if the ref didn't step in or the corner didn't pull the plug, those guys would be permanently injured. Did we really need to see Rahman or Brewster II get battered some more to know that Wlad would have gotten the KO? Personally, I would, just cause I like to see that and I think the casual fan thinks like that as well. I think if the refs these days let fights go one like they did back in Ali's days, you would see a lot more people tune in into boxing. For the casual fan, it's highly anti-climactic to see Wlad completly dominate his opponent for 10 rounds, see a couple of knock downs, and then have the ref call it off right before Wlad finishes the guy.

Then again, no one wants to see permanent brain damage like Ali's... so maybe it's good they stop fights like they do.

[madsweeney]

Then again, no one wants to see permanent brain damage like Ali's... so maybe it's good they stop fights like they do.

I'm sorry but your argument only goes to prove my case. His KO's come late after hundreds of punches, Big George put guys away less than a minuet into the first round.

[WladIsTheChamp]

I'm sorry but your argument only goes to prove my case. His KO's come late after hundreds of punches, Big George put guys away less than a minuet into the first round.

He put 190 pound bums away in less than a minute, Wlad did the same with that kind of opposition. Look at his record early on and see how many 1st round KOs Wlad has and then compare it to Foreman's. Actually I already did this. Foreman - 12 1st round KO/TKO/RTD, Wladimir 11 1st round KO/TKO/RTD. But of those 12, 5 were under 200 lbs, inlcuding one 1 that was only 188 pounds (barely a cruiser). So, once again, Wlad is the bigger and stronger puncher.