wladimir klitschko Vs George Foreman Punching Power?

[Boogie Nights]

lol it looks like your clutching straws here. I think you need to watch the fight again. Frazier was clearly lifted UP from his feet, from the force of Foremans punches.

lifting up =/= jumping using legs. Your natural reaction when getting hit is not to suddenly jump up in the air. This isn't kermit cintron we are talking about. He wouldn't have the energy/strength in his legs to jump up using his legs after foreman hit him. His legs would have been in trauma and shock at that point. It doesn't make any sense.

Frazier did not jump himself. Gravity could not hold him down against the force of foreman's punches. A resultant force form Foremans punch was delivered to frazier, which had both horizontal and vertical components.

oh dear

if you talking about the very last knockdown which im assuming is what we were talking about all along here, foreman batters him around the ropes and in the end delivers the left hook, frazier imediately is stunned and jumps up momentairly, watch the knockdown in slow motion if you need to.

at the moment he was hit he was actually standing straight up with no balance so he jumped at an angle not to fall facefirst, and he landed on his knee. when you're in falling motion you tend to do that sometimes.

like i said ppl you need to stop making it into something it isnt.

[Vadrigar.]

oh dear

if you talking about the very last knockdown which im assuming is what we were talking about all along here, foreman batters him around the ropes and in the end delivers the left hook, frazier imediately is stunned and jumps up momentairly, watch the knockdown in slow motion if you need to.

at the moment he was hit he was actually standing straight up with no balance so he jumped at an angle not to fall facefirst, and he landed on his knee. when you're in falling motion you tend to do that sometimes.

like i said ppl you need to stop making it into something it isnt.

Actually you may be right, but it's hard to judge. I found this video of the knockdowns:



There is also another knockdown before that where frazier seems to be lifted up.

I think it was more of a reflex action than a voluntary jump.

[nomadman]

It's interesting that you should bring up this very point. Klitschko pre Steward, hit much harder, with lethal results. Post Steward, he assiduously has always followed Steward'instructions not to punch with more that 60% power. I noticed it in his early fights under Steward, and actually heard Steward say, on camera, that WK was only hitting at about 50-60%,he didn't need to since he was very fit, but there was a conception that he was prone to fading in the late rounds, not that he did fade, but this was to make sure it wouldn't happen anyway. So, now wehave a champ who, in boxing terms can do just about anything......except lose.

Absolutely. When I first saw the Mercer fight I was in awe of Wlad's punching power. It was just sickening. Incredible combinations as well. I don't know if Wlad's holding back now. He could be, given his much more conservative and careful approach to boxing, but I'd also be surprised if he hits as hard as he used to, due to a general slowing down in handspeed (which has always been great for a big man). It does make him damn near unbeatable, but man I sometimes just wish he'd go for it a bit more, like in the early days. Go 100.

[nomadman]

Interesting point about the Foreman lifting Frazier off his feet incident. I haven't seen the fight for a while but I always thought it referred to the uppercut Foreman nailed Frazier with against the ropes in the first, not the quite obvious 'reaction jump' that Frazier did near the end of the fight. If that really was what all those boxing analysts saw then it truly brings into question their ability to make sense of what they've been watching all these years. Or the degree to which they like to invent and perpetrate myths.

[Vadrigar.]

Interesting point about the Foreman lifting Frazier off his feet incident. I haven't seen the fight for a while but I always thought it referred to the uppercut Foreman nailed Frazier with against the ropes in the first, not the quite obvious 'reaction jump' that Frazier did near the end of the fight. If that really was what all those boxing analysts saw then it truly brings into question their ability to make sense of what they've been watching all these years. Or the degree to which they like to invent and perpetrate myths.

I wish there was a slow motion version of it. We could then be able to judge properly.

[nomadman]

I wish there was a slow motion version of it. We could then be able to judge properly.

I just looked at the fight again, paying close attention to Frazier's feet. Aside from the obvious reaction jump there are no clear incidents of Frazier's feet lifting clear of the canvas. A couple of times where his heels might have momentarily raised, and a couple more when he's knocked sideways by the force of the punch (which isn't that rare in HW fights) but nothing that clearly indicates the incredible event that every old school boxing analyst has been harping on about for nigh on thirty years now. Not that I necessarily expected Frazier to have been thrown into the air like a Mortal Kombat doll or anything, but I must confess to feeling a little disappointed in that.

Still, if the jump is what they were referring to then it must make Corrie Sanders the hardest goddamn puncher ever. He 'lifted' Vitali clear off his feet with a body shot at 1:40 in the eighth. A six foot eight inch man weighing 250lb!!!!! Let's hear Bert Sugar wax lyrical about that one.

[nomadman]

Earnie Shavers smashes them in punching power.

But between the two I'll take Big George.

Eh, Earnie Shavers power is overrated....

[Rome-By-Ko]

I would have to say Foreman is the harder puncher.IMO only heavyweight that comes close is Tyson with Shavers coming in at 3rd.Wlad does not hit harder then his older brother IMO.

[Random1]

George for me.

But I do think the Wlad doesnt seem to hit as hard as he can. He almost holds himself back from hitting his hardest. He doesnt seem to swing away for the fenches. Am I the only one who sees this?

You're not. I've long wondered what Wlad could really do if he'd let himself go, although I suspect seeing the results on his opponents would be sickening - if he didn't get knocked out himself from being too open.

(Didn't realize there were 6 pages after the original post, I feel kinda late now).

[The_Demon]

Foreman easy