Zahir Raheem (the guy that beat Morales)... was actually a really good fighter!!

[Kagami Taiga]

You do know that he finished the trilogy (3rd fight) with morales AFTER his first fight with manny right (He lost the first, won the second, and won the third after pacquiao)? You also know that MAB won 8 in a row before getting destroyed by manny right?

lol, yea, jro beat u to it, n its true, but my point stands. nyways, pac wasnt the fighter he is today, i would have rated him a b+ post barerra 1 and b post morales. he transformed into a brilliant fighter starting with the jmm fight and his run since then has been amazing and now he was an a+ fighter. theres no way in hell he would have been able to accomplish that with the skills he had after that morales fight. thats my argument.

[tesla_power]

to 5 or 6 on a p4p list is about a b level fighter imo. who's at 5 rite now?? donaire is number 3 and that dude is def. b level to me. try again...

You b level is very high. Who you got at A level at this time because pac is already a 3 weight at this point.

[| THE KING |]

When Pac beat a prime Barrera the trilogy hadn't concluded yet. The trilogy concluded after Pac.

There was no indication of decline from Barrera in both his fights prior to Pac. And, even after Pac dominated him Barrera moved up in weight and unified titles and then has third fight against Morales.

I think this statement holds true for the Pac rematch but not the first fight where Pac just dominated him and stopped him.

beat me to it...

[| THE KING |]

lol, yea, jro beat u to it, n its true, but my point stands. nyways, pac wasnt the fighter he is today, i would have rated him a b+ post barerra 1 and b post morales. he transformed into a brilliant fighter starting with the jmm fight and his run since then has been amazing and now he was an a+ fighter. theres no way in hell he would have been able to accomplish that with the skills he had after that morales fight. thats my argument.

Who at any weight, at that time, did you consider A level (just curious)?

[Kagami Taiga]

nyways, back to my original post, which wasnt really about pac, a fight with raheem would not have been a one sided match up as most of u claim. raheem was def a legit contender at the time and if im not mistaken he was a p4p fighter as well. n yea i knock pac for fightin morales after the raheem fight. so sue me.

[| THE KING |]

nyways, back to my original post, which wasnt really about pac, a fight with raheem would not have been a one sided match up as most of u claim. raheem was def a legit contender at the time and if im not mistaken he was a p4p fighter as well. n yea i knock pac for fightin morales after the raheem fight. so sue me.

You don't think manny should have avenged his loss?

[Kagami Taiga]

Who at any weight, at that time, did you consider A level (just curious)?

lol, if u are askin whether i thought floyd was an a level fighter at the time the answer is yea, he was a complete fighter in ways pac wasnt. lol...and please dnt turn this into a pac/may hate thread, because thats not at all what im tryna do. i just think pac hadnt turned into a complete fighter yet and while he was flashy, he was still limited, which is what morales was able to exploit in his win.

[Kagami Taiga]

You don't think manny should have avenged his loss?

yea sure, but there wasnt any reason to at the time. when floyd fought judah instead of baldomir, the boxing community had a fit even tho it was a fight that many wated to see. see where im goin??

[| THE KING |]

lol, if u are askin whether i thought floyd was an a level fighter at the time the answer is yea, he was a complete fighter in ways pac wasnt. lol...and please dnt turn this into a pac/may hate thread, because thats not at all what im tryna do. i just think pac hadnt turned into a complete fighter yet and while he was flashy, he was still limited, which is what morales was able to exploit in his win.

I agree, floyd was an A fighter as well, he's been boxing since he was in diapers. I don't hate pac/may, so that ain't happening. You didn't think manny or barrera were A level. So who within that weight class did you see as A level? Raheem?

[| THE KING |]

yea sure, but there wasnt any reason to at the time. when floyd fought judah instead of baldomir, the boxing community had a fit even tho it was a fight that many wated to see. see where im goin??

Again, Manny was avenging a loss (No reason for this fight?). Third fight, I'm with you.. but the rematch (2nd fight?)? Different than Floyd/Judah situation (which has nothing to do with this). I also didn't mind Floyd fighting Judah... they had agreed to fight prior to Judahs loss to Baldomir the great.