for the uneducated..tito never used illegal wraps..never..get educated

[RL_GMA]

Has anyone who holds the "tape on the skin" argument over Trinidad ever conducted their own independent experiments to see if there was any benefit to it?

Or are they just grabbing at it because it fits conveniently into their agendas?

This.............

[FINITO]

That's true. We need to stop calling him Cheato and all that **** cuz what he did wasn't as same as what margo did...

Papa Tito just put extra gauge on his knuckles for more protection.. It's not as if he added bricks. Two different scenarios.

[DeelDough]

Technically, Margarito never used plaster in a fight either.

Where is the proof of that.

[elhijoprodigo]

You would think if you place tape on the skin the adhesive will scrap your skin once the sweat starts kicking in. plus the constant punching would move the tape no matter how tight your wraps are.

[infamous larryx]

Yeah, I remember sitting in the dressing room for a club show in Jersey not too long ago while they were wrapping the hands of a fighter and they were joking with the commission how the rules about handwrapping varied from state to state.

New Jersey and Pennsylvania do allow you to wrap with tape directly on the skin. Commissions like New York and Nevada don't allow it.

I asked a pro fighter who has wrapped his hands with tape directly on the skin for every pro fight what benefits wrapping with tape directly on the skin would have. He says he can't find any.

His KO percentage is below 40%.

see i dont make this stuff up

[BattlingNelson]

Yeah, I remember sitting in the dressing room for a club show in Jersey not too long ago while they were wrapping the hands of a fighter and they were joking with the commission how the rules about handwrapping varied from state to state.

New Jersey and Pennsylvania do allow you to wrap with tape directly on the skin. Commissions like New York and Nevada don't allow it.

I asked a pro fighter who has wrapped his hands with tape directly on the skin for every pro fight what benefits wrapping with tape directly on the skin would have. He says he can't find any.

His KO percentage is below 40%.

Thanks for this.

The thing with tape is that it hardens when it gets wet and warm.

I wrote this about some of the dirty tricks from the old days:

In an article from The San Francisco Call (1910) I found an article going through the tricks of the trade of the prize fighters. The article tells about the psychological warfare of Bob Fitzsimmons, Tommy Ryan, 'Kid' McCoy and others. This is stuff that is well known today as is hitting after the bell and so on.

I have made excerpts below telling of dirty tricks which isn't possible today and goes to show the nasty business the fightgame was. This is about 'Kid' McCoy:

"The rosin on the glove.
Notice the "Kid," for instance, lithe and amiable, strolling about the ring, immediately prior to a professional engagement. There are little heaps of rosin scattered about, the canvas-stretched floor, and the "Kid" wipes his feet in them, kicks them playfully, without the least apparent preconceived intent in the world. - He smiles at his friends and pleasantly, receives their applause. But the rosin in the ring becomes gradually "accelerated" in the direction of his corner, if there be none already, there.

The gloves have been chosen; and the seconds crowd about their men, carefully pushing the horsehair padding away from the center. They bend over
to fix them on the principle that accidents will sometimes happen —in fact they always happen in the "Kid's" corner. Before he has an opportunity, to
assume them they drop regularly into that rosinheap— drop there and are squeezed and twisted into it ere they are picked up and finally assumed. And a rosined glove may be made to cut like a knife in the hands of a McCoy. Infact it often has cut like a knife, and in nicely calculated places, too. 'This is
but a single one in the sum of tricks McCoy has practiced.

Bicycle tape.
It was McCoy too, who introduced the ingenious practice of putting a heavy layer of bicycle tape upon his hands. Then the "Kid," in dressinggown, would
pleasantly argue in the center of the ring as to the desirability of that tape's removal— would argue till the tape had become hardened like iron. He would
then smilingly take off as much of the tape as was possible. But bicycle tape has the unforlunate, qualification of adhering, when heated,and the final strand would still stay on.

McCoy would grirnace helplessly and his opponent would usually overlook the last and most dangerous strand of all. McCoy's knuckles would, however, be protected with bands like iron, which a trick of the trade had made possible. This ingenious little device has been the occasion of making the pugilist of the
present time doubly careful as to the hand bandages of an opponent. It is the legacy. of,McCoy to his profession."

The article ends with this:

"After such instances of artistry as these it would be almost inartistic to descend to the comparative crudeness of a "Young" Corbett, whose virulence and reflective character of language regularly put his opponents into a frenzy which made them easy to defeat or yet the unshaven and artificially wired
condition of a Battling Nelson's hair, with which to bore into an opponent's eyes. There could only be stated that one example of cunning, when an opponent of the latter went into a contest with the lightweight champion with gloves which were in an extremely acidulated condition. These completely blinded the courageous but human Battler and almost
defeated him.

It is, however, sufficient to indicate the tricks of a trade which is apparently severe in more ways than one. Most of these tricks are unfair, yes; but what
tricks are not? Many gentlemen of many desirable professions live in glass houses, it seems. Can they afford to throw stones at gentlemanly pugilists?"


The article can be found here: http://www.loc.gov/chroniclingameric...ort=&mode=list

And here's a pic of Battling Nelson showing the wear and tear of his style:

[pistol whip]

he just wrapped his hand in an illegal way

If you wrap your hands in an illegal way wouldn't that make the wrap illegal to use in a match therefore the wraps themselves are illegal?

[F l i c k e r]

Good **** BattlingNelson.

Bernard Hopkins did say that Tito soaked his wraps in water. So add that to what you just posted. Tito was a cheater.

[pistol whip]

Where is the proof of that.

He was using a knuckle pad the type fighters use to protect their hands in sparring sessions. Still illegal to use one in an official match though.

[Mr. Ryan]

I don't know anything about Trinidad dipping them in water or what effect that might have as a result. I can only say that I have witnessed many fights where a fighter wraps his hands with tape directly on the skin and nothing happens.

On top of that, tape is being applied anyways to the wraps, just not directly on the skin. There is no different as the makeup of the wrap except for the succession of where everything is.