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  • savorduhflavor
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    #41
    Originally posted by Jack Burton
    Why cuz' he struggled against and old Glen Johnson and looked like **** against an old Tarver in a rematch?

    This is another example of a guy being called "great" without having accomplished **** yet. First Lopez, then Ward, now Dawson.

    NSB is unreal.
    It's about being to evaluate a guy's skills by watching him.

    And he didn't look like **** against Tarver, he beat him 9-3...again.

    He's on his way to clearing out the LHW division.

    If you watch Dawson and have any clue as to what tools a great fighter possesses you will acknowledge the future greatness.

    It's not always about what they have accomplished, especially in a guy like Dawson's case where his division has been too ****ty for him to have a great resume.

    You were all over Valero...who did he beat?

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    • Dick Buffman
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      #42
      Originally posted by savorduhflavor
      It's about being to evaluate a guy's skills by watching him.

      And he didn't look like **** against Tarver, he beat him 9-3...again.

      He's on his way to clearing out the LHW division.

      If you watch Dawson and have any clue as to what tools a great fighter possesses you will acknowledge the future greatness.

      It's not always about what they have accomplished, especially in a guy like Dawson's case where his division has been too ****ty for him to have a great resume.

      You were all over Valero...who did he beat?
      Valero beat everyone by k.o and was asking for all the big fights. I never hear a peep from Dawson.

      And no you can't tell how good a guy is from him fighting sub par opposition.

      If I went out to the park right now and played a pickup game with a bunch of first graders, I'd look like Michael Jordan by comparison.

      Doesn't mean I'm Michael Jordan.

      Maybe 90's Utah Jazz Jeff Hornacek, but not MJ.

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      • savorduhflavor
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        #43
        Originally posted by Jack Burton
        Valero beat everyone by k.o and was asking for all the big fights. I never hear a peep from Dawson.

        And no you can't tell how good a guy is from him fighting sub par opposition.

        If I went out to the park right now and played a pickup game with a bunch of first graders, I'd look like Michael Jordan by comparison.

        Doesn't mean I'm Michael Jordan.

        Maybe 90's Utah Jazz Jeff Hornacek, but not MJ.
        You're acting like he's faced nobody.

        Beat Harding. Beat Adamek. Edged Johnson. Then took the biggest money fight in the division and soundly beat Tarver.

        Then Tarver exercised HIS rematch clause to make Dawson fight him again. Not on Dawson. Dawson took care of business again.

        People are still clamoring him to give Johnson the rematch. He does, he soundly beats him, and people start complaining that he gave him the rematch too late. Typical NSB bull****.

        All of those guys were about as good as it has gotten in the LHW. And KO'ing anyone and calling people out doesn't make one guy any better than another.

        Dawson>>>>>>>>>>Valero...or what that scumbag would have amounted to.

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        • Dick Buffman
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          #44
          Originally posted by savorduhflavor
          You're acting like he's faced nobody.

          Beat Harding. Beat Adamek. Edged Johnson. Then took the biggest money fight in the division and soundly beat Tarver.
          Adamek obviously had weight issues. I doubt he could move up to cruiser and much less HW to beat Adamek again. I thought he lost to Johnson and Harding is beyond old and washed up too.

          Then Tarver exercised HIS rematch clause to make Dawson fight him again. Not on Dawson. Dawson took care of business again.
          In a boring fight where it was much closer than 9/3. Boo birds came out for that one, what little there were in attendance that night.

          People are still clamoring him to give Johnson the rematch. He does, he soundly beats him, and people start complaining that he gave him the rematch too late. Typical NSB bull****.
          He waited over a year for Glen to get even older. Should've rematched him right away.

          All of those guys were about as good as it has gotten in the LHW.
          Pretty sad division which proves my point. The guy's a mirage. A fish in a nonexistent pond.
          And KO'ing anyone and calling people out doesn't make one guy any better than another.
          Shows heart, courage and championship mettle. Things Dawson lacks in spades.

          Dawson>>>>>>>>>>Valero...or what that scumbag would have amounted to.
          Valero's already achieved more than Dawson probably ever will. Dawson will never match Valero's legend and have that kind of lore and mythology associated with him.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Jack Burton
            Adamek obviously had weight issues. I doubt he could move up to cruiser and much less HW to beat Adamek again. I thought he lost to Johnson and Harding is beyond old and washed up too.



            In a boring fight where it was much closer than 9/3. Boo birds came out for that one, what little there were in attendance that night.



            He waited over a year for Glen to get even older. Should've rematched him right away.


            Pretty sad division which proves my point. The guy's a mirage. A fish in a nonexistent pond.

            Shows heart, courage and championship mettle. Things Dawson lacks in spades.



            Valero's already achieved more than Dawson probably ever will. Dawson will never match Valero's legend and have that kind of lore and mythology associated with him.
            Dawson beats any version of Adamek at any weight.

            Neither Tarver fight was closer than 9-3, not at all. And those fights were boring because of Tarver.

            Do I need to spell it out? After beating Johnson, which he did do the first time, he took the biggest money fight in the division...which no one can blame him for. Then TARVER exercised the rematch clause, and the fight also got delayed. That's why it took a year.

            And it's not like Johnson got so much worse, and took such a beating from Daniel Judah where it really mattered.

            It shows styles and nothing more.

            Dawson has already accomplished more than Valero would likely ever have accomplished.






            This is just a HW battle that needs to be recognized btw....

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              #46
              Originally posted by savorduhflavor
              Dawson beats any version of Adamek at any weight.

              Neither Tarver fight was closer than 9-3, not at all. And those fights were boring because of Tarver.

              Do I need to spell it out? After beating Johnson, which he did do the first time, he took the biggest money fight in the division...which no one can blame him for. Then TARVER exercised the rematch clause, and the fight also got delayed. That's why it took a year.

              And it's not like Johnson got so much worse, and took such a beating from Daniel Judah where it really mattered.

              It shows styles and nothing more.

              Dawson has already accomplished more than Valero would likely ever have accomplished.






              This is just a HW battle that needs to be recognized btw...
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              All I'll concede to you is that Dawson is great IN THEORY. Maybe if he beats some hardcore dudes around his own age that are in their prime and actually makes some noise then I'll start coming around.

              Beating Pascal is a start.

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                #47
                Originally posted by savorduhflavor
                Dawson beats any version of Adamek at any weight.

                Neither Tarver fight was closer than 9-3, not at all. And those fights were boring because of Tarver.

                Do I need to spell it out? After beating Johnson, which he did do the first time, he took the biggest money fight in the division...which no one can blame him for. Then TARVER exercised the rematch clause, and the fight also got delayed. That's why it took a year.

                And it's not like Johnson got so much worse, and took such a beating from Daniel Judah where it really mattered.

                It shows styles and nothing more.

                Dawson has already accomplished more than Valero would likely ever have accomplished.






                This is just a HW battle that needs to be recognized btw....
                Adamek has improved a lot since he fought Dawson. That tends to happen when you get rid of Buddy McGirt.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Iceta Lives
                  Adamek has improved a lot since he fought Dawson. That tends to happen when you get rid of Buddy McGirt.
                  Eh. Cunningham gave him a lot of trouble. Dawson is a significantly better version of Cunningham.

                  Adamek has turned into more of a boxer almost. He would lose to Dawson trying to box him, and I don't think he could get to him if he tried to walk him down.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by savorduhflavor
                    Eh. Cunningham gave him a lot of trouble. Dawson is a significantly better version of Cunningham.

                    Adamek has turned into more of a boxer almost. He would lose to Dawson trying to box him, and I don't think he could get to him if he tried to walk him down.
                    It's subjective I guess. How do you say Dawson is a significantly better fighter than Cunningham?

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by robboxing
                      hopefully we wont have to wait over a year to see dawson fight again after he beats pascal. I'd like to see him fight Kelly Pavlik after pascal
                      this is what id like to see

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