Manny Pacquiao Is in Trouble Once the Hype Vanishes

[trainhard_187]

And thats the nature of it.. Theirs always another big name to pick up where the last dude fell off.. It happens in every sport..

Whats the writers point, Pacman has earned his titles and has gotten his place in the HOF so I dont get why his opinion matters. Probably just to stir up Pac fans and his people.. Thats about it..

One Pac leaves their will be someone who will ride his shine.. Thats the nature of it.. You all didnt really think Pac would be around forever now even this writer sounds like he expected people to believe that..

[DR.ORGYY]

Wtf ok??????

[the gent]

Another writer using Pac and Floyd to lure people to his redundant article. When the the hype dies down, he will will probably be retired, since he stated he was planning to retire sooner rather than later. You should think of doing the same if this is all you can muster up as a writer..

please.

[champ_kw]

I dont see how a man who has moved up so many divisions to fight the best is a hype job.

Very few fighters ever have come close to doing what he has.

U could argue he is over rated and isnt nearly a p4p ATG. But to say he is a hype job is ridiculous.

A hype job is ranked very highly without ever really backing it up. Pac has fought great competition, and won most in style.

It isnt about his skill set. Its about his accomplishments.

If Pac is a hype job, what does that make every other fighter?

The only reason I say he's a hype job is solely based on the use of my own common sense. I've witnessed him snatch belts from Diaz and Cotto (at a catch weight). I understand, as a fighter you're a product of your era. If those guys are the champ and you beat them, cong****. I have the same qualms about the belt Floyd snatched from Baldomir. On paper, yes Baldomir was a champ, but common sense tells me there were better fighters in the division than he was. So I don't put a lot of stock into how many belts a figther has. Boxing is hit and not be hit. If placed in the ring together, I believe based on their skill set that Floyd is miles ahead of Pac and would ultimately embarrass the kid. Thus creating the hype. There is no way the Fighter of the Decade could be put in a fight with someone and potentially get wiped out. And outside of a puncher's chance, many believe that would be the most likely scenario.

[champ_kw]

despite being filipino, floyd is my idol in the ring str8 up. regarding this fighter of the decade award, to me there's no doubt that BWAA has picked the right person. what pac accomplished for his size is pure magic. win or loose vs floyd, it doesn't change what he has already accomplished.

I'm not dis*****g the Fighter of the Year. Hell, if it was the Fighter of the past couple of years I wouldn't have a gripe about it. But Decade?? You can't totally discount the earlier part of the decade based on 3 fights (Oscar, Hatton, and Cotto) especially when Floyd beat 2 out of the 3 before him. Think about this upcoming generations boxing heros. Oscar, Tito, Roy, Shane, Marquez, Kostya, Hatton, Bernard, etc. And even the new breed like Pac, Devon, etc. While all of them came and went or rose from obscurity to become champions, one constant remains. Floyd has been a world champion the entire time. That amounts as a bigger accomplishment than stringing together 3 great wins.

[Chups]

I'm not dis*****g the Fighter of the Year. Hell, if it was the Fighter of the past couple of years I wouldn't have a gripe about it. But Decade?? You can't totally discount the earlier part of the decade based on 3 fights (Oscar, Hatton, and Cotto) especially when Floyd beat 2 out of the 3 before him. Think about this upcoming generations boxing heros. Oscar, Tito, Roy, Shane, Marquez, Kostya, Hatton, Bernard, etc. And even the new breed like Pac, Devon, etc. While all of them came and went or rose from obscurity to become champions, one constant remains. Floyd has been a world champion the entire time. That amounts as a bigger accomplishment than stringing together 3 great wins.

For the entire decade, champion only for 7 years. Even Ivan Calderon was a longer Champ than Floyd.....I could name a few other fighters who was longer if that is the basis of your fighter of the decade.

[ELPacman]

there's alot of tripe in there......but he is right about Pac not reamtching opponents who give him close fights immediately.......

No, the hater that wrote this garbage has done no homework whatsoever. Reason he moved up instead of rematch? He could barely make weight. It's the reason he lost in the first place. When theres so much hate in the article, it's not even worth reading. I stopped there.

[champ_kw]

True there are many more divisions now. But still very few fighters are capable winning titles at so many weights. Therefore what he has done is remarkable. And he is no hype job.

Like i said, u can say the wins are over rated, but if someone states as FACT, Pacs opponents all lost their previous fights, then they are wrong.

I believe Floyd would beat him.
I think JMM beat him twice.

Im not saying Pac is the fighter of the decade.

Im saying he isnt just some hype job.

That is utterly ******.



I think its objective to look at his achievements as very very good.

You're splitting hairs. Overrated. Hypejob. All in the same family. When your accomplishments are clearly not up to par, yet are being flaunted as the next coming of Ray Robinson, then there is a level of hype surrounding that individual. In my original post I stated that I don't care if he is a hype job. I enjoy him. But I know how to put what I'm witnessing into the proper context. I know the real deal when I see one. He is not the real deal.

[champ_kw]

For the entire decade, champion only for 7 years. Even Ivan Calderon was a longer Champ than Floyd.....I could name a few other fighters who was longer if that is the basis of your fighter of the decade.

Floyd won his first world title against Genero in, I believe '98 or '99. That "0" on the right side of that hyphen suggests he has yet to be defeated as a world champion.

[Bubba Chunday]

The only reason I say he's a hype job is solely based on the use of my own common sense. I've witnessed him snatch belts from Diaz and Cotto (at a catch weight). I understand, as a fighter you're a product of your era. If those guys are the champ and you beat them, cong****. I have the same qualms about the belt Floyd snatched from Baldomir. On paper, yes Baldomir was a champ, but common sense tells me there were better fighters in the division than he was. So I don't put a lot of stock into how many belts a figther has. Boxing is hit and not be hit. If placed in the ring together, I believe based on their skill set that Floyd is miles ahead of Pac and would ultimately embarrass the kid. Thus creating the hype. There is no way the Fighter of the Decade could be put in a fight with someone and potentially get wiped out. And outside of a puncher's chance, many believe that would be the most likely scenario.

Pac and Floyd havent fought, so how can u say its common sense he is a hypejob?

Based on ur prediction of a fight which hasnt happened?

Thats not common sense.

I also believe Floyd could shut out Manny, but that doesnt mean he is hype. Im basing that on his achievements so far in his career to date.

You're splitting hairs. Overrated. Hypejob. All in the same family. When your accomplishments are clearly not up to par, yet are being flaunted as the next coming of Ray Robinson, then there is a level of hype surrounding that individual. In my original post I stated that I don't care if he is a hype job. I enjoy him. But I know how to put what I'm witnessing into the proper context. I know the real deal when I see one. He is not the real deal.

IMO

Over rated is when a fighter has genuine success, but is believed to be greater than his achievements show.

Over hyped is the same.

But hype job, is when they are nothing but hype. Not great at all. Nothing special.

Very few can do what Pac has done. If he is simply fighting weak opponents in many weight divisions, why arent loads of fighters doing that?
Because they cant.
Therefore Pac is special.

Thats all im arguing. Not that Pac is an ATG, fighter of the decade, better than Floyd or whatever. But that when compared to almost every other fighter, is indeed special.