Floyd could never KO PAC, but he could box circles around him!!

[master_bates]

Mayweather's connect percentage>>>>>Cotto's

believe me *****.. just one f**kin shot and you will cry to ******ation!!

[brick wall]

who has ever cracked his defense?? Where is the blueprint for it?? pac doesnt even jab!!!!

if you look at floyd's opponents in the past there were some who gave him uncomfortable moments.

Zab Judah - because of his southpaw stance and was able to match floyd's handspeed. but because zab's stamina is **** and his mental toughness is questionable he was able to pressure floyd only during the first half of the fight.

JL Castillo - not really a great fighter but more importantly this guy has mental and physical toughness.

Ricky Hatton - all because of hatton's total aggression and constant pressure. but then again, hatton's reckless style and his lack of defense paved the way for floyd to expose hatton's weaknesses.


southpaw, handspeed, stamina, power, aggression, good workrate, mental & physical toughness...who has all that? pacquiao...i'm not saying he will beat floyd. all i'm saying is it's not going to be an easy fight for floyd like how some of you *****s believe the fight is going to be. it's funny because not even floyd has the confidence that you have...he wants pac to be blood tested because he can't believe how big a threat has pac become.

[BigStereotype]

DELAHOYA WAS OLD AND WEIGHT DRAINED EVEN ROACH ADMITTED THAT, SO ITS NOT LIKE i AM HATING ON HIM FOR THAT.

Clottey threw very few punches, but it looked as if manny had been in a war, go look at his face after teh fight..

HATTON WAS CAUGHT EARLY BY A WILD HOOK. THERE WAS NO BOXING INVOLVED, IT WAS OVER VERY QUICKLY.

FACTS:

pac doesnt jab, you will not beat mayweather without a jab.

PACS ARMS ARE SHORTER AGAINT A MASTER COUNTER PUNCHER.

PAC WILL FACE SOMEONE JUST AS FAST AS HIM. BUT WITH BETTER BOXING SKILLS.

PAC WILL BE FORCED TO EXCHANGE AS HE CANNOT BOX, HE CANNOT JAB, JUST AS FLOYD TOLD SHANE " LET ME SEE YOUR ****IN JAB"

Oscar was doing okay with the jab, the jab sets other punches up. Its no secret that pac has not fought anyone with good speed or foot movement

hatton, come forward
clottey turtle shell
COTTO WELL LETS JUST SAY HIS MOST IMPROVED SHOWING IS WITH EMMANUEL STEWARD AND IT WAS FOOTWORK! Didnt have any against pac.
DELAHOYA WAS BEAT BY SHANE BECAUSE HE HAS THAT BAD FOOTWORK, COMPARED TO SOMEONE LIKE MAYWEATHER ETC.
I mean you should honestly take a look at pacs flaws rather than always focusing on his strengths.

floyd has trouble with the jab. The quickest punch any fighter can throw.

Manny doesnt throw them and if he starts, he will get hit by longer arms, and more effective countering.

Ok, I can tell you've seen the fights, but I don't think you really watched them and you certainly didn't understand what you saw. Props for trying, though. Saying Pacquiao can't box is idiotic. Even in the Hatton fight, where you say he caught Hatton with a "wild hook" and "there was no boxing involved," he showed some very impressive abilities. First knockdown, Hatton starts his punch first, Pacquiao sees it, catches him square on the jaw with a picture perfect, laser-accurate right hook and then slips Hatton's left hook. It's beautiful boxing. He does the same counter punching again and again, it's just he's so much faster than Hatton it looks like he was just beating him to the punch...which he was too. Did the same thing against Cotto. But what is most impressive about Pacquiao, besides his handspeed, is his footwork. He is so quick on his feet, he darts around the ring. The fight is always exactly where he wants it. It's one of the reasons why Pacquiao-Mayweather is so stylistically interesting: they're both masters at controlling range. To see who does it better should be a treat.

Also, his balance is absurd. Even when he's slipping punches and where he should be falling to the floor, he can throw three punch combinations. And you know that Pacquiao doesn't throw any punches lightly, he ****ing bombs those punches.

Everyone knows there's a hole in Mayweather's defense for a straight left. It's hard to find that hole, but it's there. It just so happens that Manny's straight left is the best in boxing. Powerful and very, very fast. Combine that with a great right hook to set it up and he almost doesn't need a jab, but he has a decent one when he needs it. I agree that it's not enough to trouble Floyd, though. He'll just get countered with those check hooks if he tries to throw the jab too much.

You underrate Manny's defense, too. He slips punches very well, and while he's no Floyd on the defensive side of things, saying that Oscar did anything, especially jab and set up punches, very well is ludicrous. Scratch that, he took punches very well. He got his ass beat very well. And I know it's a past prime Oscar, but he clearly had no business in the ring that night.

Finally, if Pacquiao is "forced to exchange" that's to his benefit. His chin is better than Mayweather's and he has more heart. Mayweather's reasonably tough as he showed in the Mosley fight, but Pacquiao loves fighting too much to quit. He wants to exchange with Mayweather, who wants to potshot him.

[Ganondorf]

You guys are hilarious acting like it's out of the realm of possibility that Floyd KO's Pacquiao. I actually see that as a pretty real possibility. I think Floyd will be the bigger man and I think his strength will show in the ring. This is a mismatch. Pacquiao has too many problems with opponents who show a good straight right hand. When is the last time he fought a right hand dominant fighter? When's the last time you saw somebody push Pacquiao backwards? These are questions you must ask yourself. If Pacquiao is to beat Mayweather, how will it happen? Only one scenario, Pac catches Mayweather in the first few rounds before Floyd figures out where his punches are coming from. If he don't knock him out early he loses on points or late KO.

[ADP02]

wtf??floyds the most accurate counter puncher in the game...and he doesnt even get hit half as much as jmm..plus remember he shut jmm out..so whos the better counterpuncher

BrickWall is right.

Marquez and Floyd do not fight the same way.

Floyd can and likes to play a 1-2 punch chess match with you. If the opponent comes at him with more than that, more often than not, Floyd does NOT counter. Especially when Floyd respects the opponents power.

Marquez on the other hand mixes it up more in that he at times counters combinations with combinations. Marquez does it but not without any risks either as experienced against Manny in their second fight. That is, the knock down. Floyd will not risk it because he knows he can get knocked down. It's like a built in mechanism in Floyd.

So what can Manny do? He can play a higher paced chess match with Floyd. Again, Floyd prefers that slow chess match because it's easier to pick up and defend against. With Manny's higher workrate, being a southpaw, speed and power, it can be done.

It's all about respect. If Floyd can gain that respect so that it will bring down Manny's workrate then Floyd will probably win. If not Manny has the chance to do it.

[qwerty07]

please stop with that ****.

Floyd during his best, fastest days at JWW was stifled and hurt, intimidated and caught cleanly multiple times by Zab Judah for the better part of the first 5 rounds.

When Judah backed Mayweather into the ropes in the 5th round, Mayweather looked petrified to throw a punch.

Now if you think Judah is a better Southpaw than Manny Pacquiao, you're quite frankly a f**kin idiot.
If you think Floyd has the same legs and willingness to throw his hands, even the speed that he had 4 years ago...you're also a f**kin idiot.

Stop it. Manny is the most dangerous Southpaw he'd EVER have faced. And certainly the biggest threat Floyd has faced since the last Southpaw gave him nightmares.

So please...just get the f**k off Mayweather's **** (Ellerbe has dibs). I'm pissed off that I even had to post something this profane.

Good post.

I think a lot of times people forget that Manny is a southpaw. His stance is one of the many reasons why he's so good, just like Mayweather with his shoulder roll.

Attention *****s, a lot of things Mayweather does against orthodox boxers DON'T work against southpaws.

Example:
A shoulder roll will get heavily countered by a southpaw left hook to the jaw.

Observe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q191D_1RENQ#t=8m44s

[Carpe Diem]

The Floyd vs Judah fight was more of a chess technical fight from the start, not only that Judah was far faster than at the time, but he's a very underrated technical Boxer himself. I've always said, if you're gonna beat Floyd, you have to be a good underrated technical Boxer. Zab didn't made any mistakes from the start for Floyd to capitalizing on, and his speed was another factor that bothered Floyd. But with Manny, he won't gassed out, but he isn't as good of a technical Boxer as Judah was. He will have the speed advantage and punching output over Floyd, but he will make far more mistakes for Floyd to counter on because of his style.

[ADP02]

You guys are hilarious acting like it's out of the realm of possibility that Floyd KO's Pacquiao. I actually see that as a pretty real possibility. I think Floyd will be the bigger man and I think his strength will show in the ring. This is a mismatch. Pacquiao has too many problems with opponents who show a good straight right hand. When is the last time he fought a right hand dominant fighter? When's the last time you saw somebody push Pacquiao backwards? These are questions you must ask yourself. If Pacquiao is to beat Mayweather, how will it happen? Only one scenario, Pac catches Mayweather in the first few rounds before Floyd figures out where his punches are coming from. If he don't knock him out early he loses on points or late KO.

In boxing anything can happen but you usually try to go with the odds. Floyd is bigger and if he takes all the advantages that come with it, one can give him the edge.

Still, one must look at Floyd's recent history. Floyd has only knocked out one guy from 2006 to 2010. That knock out happened late in the fight to boot.

This KO was against Hatton. I believe that at a certain point in the fight, Floyd realized that Hatton does not have the power to knock him out, plus he felt in total control. Combine it with how Floyd knocked him out, it may amplify that Floyd will not risk it against a riskier fighter such as Manny. That is, even against Hatton, Floyd did not think KO. It was a check hook that connected with an advancing prodding Hatton.

I can concede that the probability may be higher for Manny than some of the more defensive minded fighters since Manny can get hit while trying to hit himself.

Still, while Floyd can do it, Floyd is not a risk taker. So the probability is low that he will KO Manny.

Remember that Floyd didn't even KO Marquez.

[andrew14]

floyd can ko manny......manny lunges in alot and floyd is good at catching people coming in

did you pictured it GOOD??

you r looking only if manny lunges and DIDNT CONNECTS or MAKE CONTACT.

what if he connects and stun PBF???? can he counters??? maybe yes maybe

no.

that is the questions that you need to think.

PBF is never been hurt in his entire career unless on Castillo fight.

Pacman can take a punch of a BIG WW and KO a BIG WW.

Fast on defense vs Fast on offense.

When, where, and how dude.

[ADP02]

The Floyd vs Judah fight was more of a chess technical fight from the start, not only that Judah was far faster than at the time, but he's a very underrated technical Boxer himself. I've always said, if you're gonna beat Floyd, you have to be a good underrated technical Boxer. Zab didn't made any mistakes from the start for Floyd to capitalizing on, and his speed was another factor that bothered Floyd. But with Manny, he won't gassed out, but he isn't as good of a technical Boxer as Judah was. He will have the speed advantage and punching output over Floyd, but he will make far more mistakes for Floyd to counter on because of his style.

Well, that was Judah's mistake. Making it a technical fight. Judah's father was begging Judah to pick up the workrate but Judah being Judah kept it a 1-2 punch chess match. If Judah had the workrate of Manny then Floyd would be in big time trouble.

Manny may not have same "type" of arsenal that Judah has but Manny has the kind of arsenal that Judah wished he had.