I've been thinking... I think Cotto has what it takes to beat Floyd...

[thatnickuh]

And, he shouldn't.... What for? What is the point of it now? He should of fought him in 2008. He should of been going after that fight instead of going for the Oscar and then choosing to "retire"

The reason being?

[sigrab jr]

Didn't you say Mosley and Marquez were going to beat Mayweather?

[sigrab jr]

I disagree, he's too easy to hit, and cant match speed.

Floyd isnt going to lose to anyone that has subpar defense and inferior speed. Plain and simple

That and you need to have height and reach advantage to give Floyd any type of problem.

Cotto does not have any height or reach or speed or defense advantage over Mayweather, only power advantage. Let's face it, Cotto's not the one punch power guy, he's the break you down type of power guy. Mosley is a one puncher, they're comparing that if it was Cotto who hit Floyd like that he would have been in trouble when in fact Mosley is the one known to finish off his opponents when he has them hurt(Margarito, Mayorga, Vargas). Cotto is known to take his time, and time is what Mayweather needs to be comfortable and cruise through a easy one sided decision. Pressure is Floyd's enemy, well last guy who tried to pressure Floyd with no defense was Hatton and we know what happened there.

[littlemac]

M@nny still rocking these threads. Your awsome man lol..............

[DiLLiNGER]

Someone stop this ******!!

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354106

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361940

[Carpe Diem]

This isn't the UFC. If Cotto was a smart fighter, he should of continued doing what he did in the first round against Manny. Of course he would give Floyd problems, but he would lose due to his lack of defense..

[GameGod]

Prime Cotto would have destroyed Pacquiao and given Mayweather the fight of his lifetime, but I think he would have narrowly lost. Following the Margarito w/ loaded gloves fight, Cotto was ruined forever, and only recovered a bit when he got Manny Steward. But he would get obliterated by Floyd.

[Carpe Diem]

Cotto is a six round fighter. Mayweather is a championship round fighter. That's the difference. I know Cotto may possibly have fought a better version of Mosley than Mayweather did. But how can we know that for sure when Mosley had better coaching going into the Mayweather fight who gave him better instructions in between rounds?

And if you want to compare their performances, Cotto had to go life and death and with and ran out of gas against the same version of Mosley who had his mouth open and breathing hard that Floyd dominated. So don't give me that **** of how Mosley gassed out after the second round, because he got tired against Cotto early in the fight too.

Agreed. I watched that Cotto-Mosley fight three times, and Mosley was tired before the 5th round. But the thing is though, he was able of hitting Cotto at will, whereas he couldn't quite figured out how to do so against Floyd after the second round.

[thatnickuh]

Refresh my memory, when exactly has Cotto ever been knocked out? Both of his losses came from stoppages, and Floyd isn't about to take a risk of trying to out muscle Cotto. He couldn't even out muscle or even KO a lightweight, he's not going to pressure down Cotto.

Mayweather doesn't out-muscle guys. He out-skills them and he does this in numerous way which is what makes him a great fighter. He can box from the outside, he can walk his opponents down with the jab/straight right hand/check left hook, and he can fight on the inside in the trenches. It's all based on skill moreso than muscle or strength. I see no reason why he couldn't walk Cotto down in the same fashion that he walked Mosley down. It's all about landing clean effective punches, not having one punch KO power. Cotto busts up easily, and I would definitely predict him busting up if he's in the ring with a pin point accurate puncher counter-puncher like Mayweather. You seem kind of biased.

Also, Mosley has never been able to beat a boxer, ever. Vernon Forrest, Winky Wright and Cotto had already beaten him by simply out boxing him. What were you really expecting when he stepped into the ring with the best boxer of the last 20+ years? In comparison, Cotto has struggled with guys who bring the fight at him, and not guys who can simply pressure but guys that through 100+ punches in a round. Yet, when he's been put in the ring with Quintana, Judah, Malignaggi, Foreman any guy who tries to box and counter he crushes them. No just a couple but every boxer he's faced, period.

Maybe you need to watch the Mayweather-Mosley fight again, because Mayweather didn't box Mosley. He brought the fight to Mosley for nearly all 12 rounds. Mosley had Cotto on his bicycle, staying away from him in the later rounds. The reason for that Cotto is pretty easy to hit and he started to bust up. The only reason that he held on and got a razor thin decision against Mosley is because he's a better boxer than Mosley. Expecting Cotto just come in and walk through Mayweather based on what he did against inferior competition is silly man. If anything the all of the guys that you named showed how easy it is to hit Cotto. Even Foreman showed how easy it is to touch Cotto with straight hands.

Mosley also doesn't have a jab worth a damn, just flicking your hand isn't going to even Floyd worry about the jab. But that wasn't even your argument you are arguing over how solid his chin is... Mosley was never hurt in the fight, he was simply frustrated. He landed what were most likely the two hardest punches in his career and he buckled Floyd, but didn't drop him. Then every time he tried to land the right he got countered. He got the fight taken out of him, not because of a beating but because he wasn't the fastest guy in the ring for the first time in his career, and he collapsed. Cotto's used to not being the fastest guy but he keeps putting slow pressure and chips away at you with his jab. Mayweather has problems with guys who have a solid jab, its the reason he never fights people with them and the reason DLH was successful early in their fight. I'm not saying Cotto would dominate or even win, but he does have the tools to beat Floyd. Oh and if you think Floyd retired and Cotto never called him out think again.

You make a valid point about Cotto having a decent jab, but it's going to take more than having a decent jab to beat Mayweather. There's a reason that De La Hoya stopped throwing the jab in the 2nd half of his fight with Mayweather. Mayweather started to counter his jab which made caused him to stop throwing it, I don't know why Mayweather critics don't give the guy his full credit. Like Del La Hoya just stopped throwing the jab because he wasn't trying to win the fight.

You say that Cotto has the tools to beat Mayweatrher, but so far your case is weak. You say that Mosley was never hurt, but his corner was threatening him with stopping the fight because he was taking a beating. Mosley was taking a beating physically, emotionally, and mentally as is the case with all of Mayweather's opponents. Like I said, your case for it not happening to Cotto is weak so far.

Arum did turn down a fight with Floyd at 140 against Cotto, but for some reason that makes up for Floyd never fighting him? If I remember Floyd is ALL about the money well, why did he try to get a fight with Cotto even before he fought Malignaggi? His biggest fight at the time was what... Urkal or Corley? Of course Cotto isn't ready, thats like the equivalent of Floyd calling out Angulo now, because they both had only 20 fights at the time. If anything it proves how much a ***** Floyd is, because he wanted to fight him as early as possible because in the future he may have been better and even a threat to his 0 feature. And just for the record click on my sig link and see that Cotto did call out Floyd and it was right after the Mosley fight. Coincidently Floyd retired less than a year later at which point Cotto was put into the ring with Marg, the other guy Floyd completely ducked by taking a smaller payday to fight Baldomir.

This is where you expose or play yourself man. Any fan that has the gall to call a pro fighter a "b*tch" based on business decisions that they don't agree with is someone who is out of touch with reality. You woulsn't call Mayweather or any of the other fighters discussed here a "b*tch" to their faces, so why come here and do it? Who are you trying to impress with that tough talk?

You don't even have your facts right, which is more evidence that you're biased. Mayweather didn't take less money to fight Baldomir over Margarito. The decision to leave Arum and fight Baldomir over Margarito was probably the best financial decision that Mayweatrher has made up until this point. It led the way to Mayweather becoming the biggest draw in the sport today. Stop hating man, it's a weak emotion.

[Beater_of_ass]

Mayweather doesn't out-muscle guys. He out-skills them and he does this in numerous way which is what makes him a great fighter. He can box from the outside, he can walk his opponents down with the jab/straight right hand/check left hook, and he can fight on the inside in the trenches. It's all based on skill moreso than muscle or strength. I see no reason why he couldn't walk Cotto down in the same fashion that he walked Mosley down. It's all about landing clean effective punches, not having one punch KO power. Cotto busts up easily, and I would definitely predict him busting up if he's in the ring with a pin point accurate puncher counter-puncher like Mayweather. You seem kind of biased.

This really should be all I respond to, as your argument is completely ****ty. Mayweather didn't even walk Mosley down, he simply stood his ground and didn't use his legs. That isn't "walking Mosley down" as you put it. Also, Cotto gets busted up but only against guys that throw 70 or more punches a round, Mayweather is at max a 50 punch a guy, however, he is usually around 40 or so. That isn't enough to make Cotto gas out from being overwhelmed with punches. I seem biased how exactly? Because I'm looking at how guys fight, not just sucking mayweathers nuts? If you must know I like Mayweather, but that doesn't mean the guy can't run into someone he can to lose to, and you say I'm biased...

Maybe you need to watch the Mayweather-Mosley fight again, because Mayweather didn't box Mosley. He brought the fight to Mosley for nearly all 12 rounds. Mosley had Cotto on his bicycle, staying away from him in the later rounds. The reason for that Cotto is pretty easy to hit and he started to bust up. The only reason that he held on and got a razor thin decision against Mosley is because he's a better boxer than Mosley. Expecting Cotto just come in and walk through Mayweather based on what he did against inferior competition is silly man. If anything the all of the guys that you named showed how easy it is to hit Cotto. Even Foreman showed how easy it is to touch Cotto with straight hands.

Mayweather did out box Mosley, if that isn't boxing I'm not sure what is. Where exactly did I see Mosley being forced backward? Mosley was setting up punches through a jab, he held is ground, feinted, used angles. Again just because Mayweather stood his ground doesn't mean he didn't box or did pressure him. Marquez/Pacman is the perfect example, Marquez didn't use his legs but he still box Manny. He kept his ground, threw punches back, countered, used his jab to keep Manny from overwhelming him all the same things Floyd did. Then you say Cotto barely hung onto a decision even though he was out boxing Mosley. Cotto may have been on the ropes, but he was still winning rounds. It seems your saying things to simply fit your argument in the hopes of sounding right, but it isn't working.

Yes, Cotto may have been moving backward but he was far from losing rounds. Cotto was the one landing the harder punches, watch the fight again, even the announcers realize that while Cotto is moving backward he's still doing more damage. Yet, you forgot Cotto won middle rounds where he stood his ground and he wasn't muscling Mosley around again he was OUT BOXING him. Used his jab, kept a nice mid range and landed combinations, he also feinted a few times and got Mosley with solid counters. Again all things Mayweather did to Mosley, by out boxing not out punching, overwhelming or out muscling Mosley. And please don't get me started on how Cotto was hit by 2 strong straight right hands from Foreman. I believe Mayweather got hit by two straight rights as well and he almost kissed the canvas from them.

You make a valid point about Cotto having a decent jab, but it's going to take more than having a decent jab to beat Mayweather. There's a reason that De La Hoya stopped throwing the jab in the 2nd half of his fight with Mayweather. Mayweather started to counter his jab which made caused him to stop throwing it, I don't know why Mayweather critics don't give the guy his full credit. Like Del La Hoya just stopped throwing the jab because he wasn't trying to win the fight.

I agree that Mayweather did counter DLH's jab, but as I stated it takes more than a jab to beat Floyd. However, unlike Cotto DLH by his own admission says he hates guys he has to chase around the ring. Watch DLH/Paq Larry Merchant brings it up add to the fact that DLH is a great money bringer to boxing but the guy lost all his big fights. His best victory is an old JCC or maybe Ike Quartey thats about it.

You say that Cotto has the tools to beat Mayweatrher, but so far your case is weak. You say that Mosley was never hurt, but his corner was threatening him with stopping the fight because he was taking a beating. Mosley was taking a beating physically, emotionally, and mentally as is the case with all of Mayweather's opponents. Like I said, your case for it not happening to Cotto is weak so far.

Mosley was getting beat like that, because he's never been able to beat a boxer, ever. Thats my entire argument, the same can be said for Cotto with come forward pressure fighters. If you replace May with Williams I'd be picking Williams easy because Cotto has shown he can't handle that style. Just like Mosley has shown he can't handle a guy who boxes with him. I mean come one, Mayweather is a great fighter but he isn't going to beat Mosley if he was really fighting like Margarito does. That is playing into Mosley's hands, you really have no clue what you are talking about, not trying to be a **** but its just the truth man. Mosley gave up not because he was getting run down, he was getting out boxed. He threw a punch, miss and get hit. Then he gets caught with jabs and straight rights while mid range with May because he was too fast. For the first time in his career Mosley was the slower man in the ring, it showed not just in the fight but on his face. If a guy in his entire career is the fastest, then all of a sudden his biggest asset is taken away by the other guy he gets deflated and thats why he lost it, not because he was "run down."

This is where you expose or play yourself man. Any fan that has the gall to call a pro fighter a "b*tch" based on business decisions that they don't agree with is someone who is out of touch with reality. You woulsn't call Mayweather or any of the other fighters discussed here a "b*tch" to their faces, so why come here and do it? Who are you trying to impress with that tough talk?

You don't even have your facts right, which is more evidence that you're biased. Mayweather didn't take less money to fight Baldomir over Margarito. The decision to leave Arum and fight Baldomir over Margarito was probably the best financial decision that Mayweatrher has made up until this point. It led the way to Mayweather becoming the biggest draw in the sport today. Stop hating man, it's a weak emotion.

Firstly, I'm not hating. Believe it or not, if you think Floyd can lose a fight its not called hating its called reality. I could care less about Floyd ducking or not ducking marg, but the comment got under your skin which was my main goal. Even if Floyd fought Marg, he would have taken him to a decision in another boring but beautiful boxing lesson type of fight. It would have been sparring practice for Floyd. I completely see where Floyd comes from with picking least risk/biggest reward type fights. However, he only opens his mouth about money and he called out Cotto when Cotto was a 20 fight contender with still more experience needed. He then DID in fact take less money to fight Baldomir something like 4 million instead of 8 million had he stuck with Top Rank. I got no problem with him doing that but if money is all you care about shouldn't you have gone with Marg? Obviously there is more to "money" with Floyd its also his legacy and need to be undefeated.

That being said I'm a big Floyd fan, but I would be more worried of him facing Cotto than any power come forward fighter. Williams, Margs, Angulo (all lose to Floyd) Shane, Hatton, Baldomir, Gatti I called for Floyd to whoop their asses too. The only thing that surprised me was that Floyd only gave up 1 round to Mosley I thought for sure it would have been 3 or 4 max. It made me appreciate Mayweather even more, however, Floyd has been very careful about his career and types of fighters he's faced. There is a reason he didn't fight Cotto, a reason he doesn't want to fight Paq. They are more than just rush in punchers, they set things up they are as deceptive as Mayweather is smart. May has an easier chance of beating Cotto, and I'd still favor Mayweather in a close fight, but I can see Cotto winning. Cotto grew up fighting and sparring with guys like Ivan Calderon. A guy who is the carbon copy of a Mayweather style. Just like Shane grew up fighting guys like Marg, styles make fights and Cotto has the exact type to give Mayweather trouble.