Roy Jones JR: Manny at least top 3 or 4 on GOAT LIST

[BlackHat]

Roy is black abd he's a *******!

[RimmyDelicious]

Roy is either speaking about post WW2 modern era of boxing, or he's speaking about where Manny will be ranked after he beats Mayweather.

Either way, classic ownage.

[Tamis!]

Evolution doesn't have much to do with the size of people, nutrition and Standard of living does. My older siblings and parents were born and raised in 3rd world countries. I and my younger siblings were born in America, all the younger kids in my family are much bigger and taller than the older kids, because of the change in standard of living and nutrition.

There is no doubt that more is known about the human body today than 50 years ago.
-The field of "Sports Medicine" attributed to that. Experts in that field can craft the human body to be most optimal for whatever sport is played.
-Endurance sports, for example, has a lot of emphasis on carbs while high intensity sports like boxing focus a lot on protein.

There is no doubt that the standard of living is better today than it was 50 years ago, at least in America and the West.
-GDP per capita increased from around 10k to over 20k from the 50's to now.
-Higher standard of living means better nutrition as a child provided by parents, cleaner environments and more medicine means your body is less sick, less often. Advances in brain research means a more healthy child not just physically but mentally. A child growing in a broken/violent home will have majors issues in adult life. The smarter the parents, the less that happens. Also higher educated populace than in the past.

Raising the bar, pushing the limit:
-Standing on the shoulders of giants. The need to be better. Every athlete would love to break their sports' records, this helps drive every generation to be better than the last.
-Records are always being beaten. This proves a few things. The athletes are superior and/or the technology is better today. This proves both my points.
-I've never seen highlight reels from 50 years ago that look more amazing than the ones from today. Have you?

Media influences
-Athletes today are marketed to kids so much more than in the past, with the TV, cellphone, internet, which means more kids aspire to be athletes, which equals a larger talent pool.
-With all the money athletes get today, kids are more hungry to be professionals and get out of poverty.

Support systems
-Most professional athletes today have trainers, advisers, consultants, nutritionists, etc, to keep them in tip top performance. No pro athlete today does anything on his own, and he shouldn't have to, when trying to perform at a top level.
-Since they make so much money, even they're third cousins, twice removed will come to all their games and visit them 3 times a year!

There are just so many factors that contribute to the rise of bigger and stronger athletes that writing more than this will just waste both our time.
or.....would you like me to continue?

Well you should have at least someone to support your claim, besides you gave up points such as nutrition and stuff.

So who are those decent boxers of today whom you thought could beat SRR?

So who can beat Ray Robinson from today's B-level fighters like you said?

[Pacdbest]

How is Floyd bigger and stronger than SRR? SRR started as a LW who had a fight a LHW. Was also taller than Floyd. Do you think Floyd could fight as a LHW?

I mean I guess that could hold true for HW's. Seeing that back in the day the top HW's rareley weight more than 225 pounds. While now is rare to see a top HW who weighs less then 225 pounds.

But, back then a WW weighed 147, today a WW weights 147. Where is the bigger and stronger coming from? A MW now weighs 160 a MW 100 years weigh in at 160. And, you can do that for every weight-class except HW I give you that.

I have not seen a faster fighter yet then Camacho or Taylor. so how are fighters from today faster?

And, honestly can't really say that Floyd was faster than SRR, maybe had better reflexes I give you that. But, SRR had very good speed.

As for as skills that again is not true. Go look at the top 10 P4P list of 30 years ago.

Ray Leonard,
Thomas Hearns
Roberto Duran
Alexis Argeullo
Marving Hagler
Salvador Sancehz
Wilfredo Gomez
Aaron Pryor
Wilfredo Benitez
Jeff Chandler

Compared that to todays top 10 P4P fighters.

Pac
Floyd
Donaire
JMM
Caballero
Mosley
P-Will
Dawson
Wonjongkam
Martinez

Tell me which P4P list overall has the better skilled fighters?

Now for the styles comment. Again that is not true. The styles from back then will work in today era. Look at George Benton for example



tell me if George Benton style is not similar to a very elite fighter of this era?

Go look at Charles Burley style



Are you saying this style and skill set would not be effective in this era?

Hell go even look at Primo Carnera style. And, tell me is not like watching Vitaly Klitschko.



And, look at Carnera size. He was 6'5 255-265 pounds, reach was 85 inches. Now compare that to Vitaly who is 6'7 245-250 pound with a reach of 80 inches.

Don't tell me that today's fighters in any way shape and form are better then fighters from back then.

The reason why The old P4P looks impressive is because Pac Cleaned up the Modern P4P list.

This Era List should be:

Pac
PBF
MAB
EM
JMM
Cotto
DLH
Hatton
Bhop
Mosley

Blame Pac for thinning the current P4P list.

[jrosales13]

There are just so many factors that contribute to the rise of bigger and stronger athletes

But, that is not true for boxers from Flyweight to Light Heavyweight.

[qwerty07]

So who can beat Ray Robinson from today's B-level fighters like you said?

You name any top 10 guys from all the weight classes he fought in.

For welterweight, pac, may cotto, marg, clottey etc would all beat SRR

Middleweight, williams, martinez, pavlik, etc would all beat SRR


Now, what makes SRR greater than them is that he was GREAT is his era. Are those guys great in their era. You decide.

I'll say one thing, I've always thought it was ****** to compare fighters of different eras because everything is so different. Why are they different? Look at my earlier post.

[jrosales13]

The reason why The old P4P looks impressive is because Pac Cleaned up the Modern P4P list.

This Era List should be:

Pac
PBF
MAB
EM
JMM
Cotto
DLH
Hatton
Bhop
Mosley

Blame Pac for thinning the current P4P list.

Don't be an idiot. If you want to talk about era's then in the 80's you could put Holyfield, JCC, and Whitaker to the list I already have. Neither MAB, DLH, EM or JMM are as Salvador not as skilled and not as great as Salvador. Neither one of them is as great as JCC either.

Neither is Cotto is as skilled or as great as Wilfredo Gomez or Wilfredo Benitez.

Hopkins is not as great as Marvin Hagler. Maybe not even as skilled. A fight between them could of been a war that would of went either way.

Hatton? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha GTFOH I shutter to think what Aaron Pryor would of done to Hatton at 140.

Mosley not as skilled or as great as Alexis Arguello nor even as great as Hearns

Pac would not hang with Duran,

Leonard>Floyd at WW.

[jrosales13]

You name any top 10 guys from all the weight classes he fought in.

For welterweight, pac, may cotto, marg, clottey etc would all beat SRR

Middleweight, williams, martinez, pavlik, etc would all beat SRR


Now, what makes SRR greater than them is that he was GREAT is his era. Are those guys great in their era. You decide.

I'll say one thing, I've always thought it was ****** to compare fighters of different eras because everything is so different. Why are they different? Look at my earlier post.

damn noobs.

[qwerty07]

But, that is not true for boxers from Flyweight to Light Heavyweight.

Carnera would get murdered by any Klit. Even if they weighed the same, Klits are stronger, faster, more damaging punches, and that's because of my earlier post.

They can put more muscle mass into a certain frame than guys from the past.
Better develop fast twitch fibers with contribute to alility, quickness, intensity.
Technique. More things to do in each situation compared to the past.

[jrosales13]

Carnera would get murdered by any Klit. Even if they weighed the same, Klits are stronger, faster, more damaging punches, and that's because of my earlier post.

They can put more muscle mass into a certain frame than guys from the past.
Better develop fast twitch fibers with contribute to alility, quickness, intensity.
Technique. More things to do in each situation compared to the past.

That is cool I said I give you HW. But, not from Flyweight to LHW.

Think about this 100 years ago Jimmy Wilde weight 100 pounds he KO'd 20 guys who weigh over 200 pounds. Do you think somebody like Roman Gonzalez could KO guys that weeigh over 200 pounds?