Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. (1992) vs. Manny Pacquiao (2009) @ 140?

[edgarg]

We all seem to forget that in most of Manny's big wins, he has had an edge of some sort, Oscar dehydrated to the bone, Cotto a catchweight, Hatton , ran in with his chin out and hands down, etc. Now I'm not saying that Manny is not a top class fighter, he is, but Julio Caesar Chavez of THOSE days, was unbeatable by anyone I've ever seen.....and I've seen nost of them.

[edgarg]

Yes you've hit on it, you need a refresher. I took one myself, having forgotten how good Chavez was, and I say that Manny P. good as he is, could never beat that Chavez, who in those days was unbeatable for years and years. He was not only indestructable, but a top class attacking fighter, who had over 8 fights before he lost his first one.

No, Chavez all the way.

Of course I mean that Chavez had had over 80 fights before his first loss. Sorry for typo.

[lfc19titles]

nobody who doesnt have a good defence as a similer height and weight beats pac. He is a top 20 ATG and once of the greatest offensive boxers to ever grace this sport. Pac by KO

[fugu]

thats your opinion...heres bert sugars: pac is the greatest southpaw of all time heres steward's: pac is top five all time

thier opinion and boxing knowledge>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>yours

Well Steward felt Cotto was a favourite vs Manny and Mosley vs Mayweather was 50/50.

Sugars "lists" constantly changes.

I would say alot of their opinions are attention whoring, some is over excited fanfare based on hype and also a touch of flavour of the month.

Lets just say it is hardly controversial to feel Pernell is a better fighter than Manny Pacquiao. I am hardly alone on that opinion and if you were around to watch boxing before Pacquiao vs De la Hoya you might have had a more realistic viewpoint than the usual ******* logic (as in Manny is top5 ATG, he is not)

[Anti~Jalandoni]

Pacman isn't stopping JCC. Seriosuly, prime JCC was a beast.

How about Pac at Prime?

[Zerwas1]

Pac hits him at will and has a solid chin. Pac UD

[edgarg]

Well Steward felt Cotto was a favourite vs Manny and Mosley vs Mayweather was 50/50.

Sugars "lists" constantly changes.

I would say alot of their opinions are attention whoring, some is over excited fanfare based on hype and also a touch of flavour of the month.

Lets just say it is hardly controversial to feel Pernell is a better fighter than Manny Pacquiao. I am hardly alone on that opinion and if you were around to watch boxing before Pacquiao vs De la Hoya you might have had a more realistic viewpoint than the usual ******* logic (as in Manny is top5 ATG, he is not)

Yes I agree, I like Manny P. always have, and watched his every fight since Barrera. But I'd forgotten how excellent Chavez was and went through some of his fights again. I believe that Chavez would not only have the answer to Manny P's speed, (being an excellent "timer" as well as speedy himself when neccessary) and that Manny would not be able to hurt him, but that he'd be able to hurt Manny, at least cut him up badly.

Chavez by a UD.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Chavez TKO11. Camacho was way faster than Pacquiao. So the speed is not a problem for Chavez. Chavez took huge bombs from Edwin Rosario who was twice the puncher Pacquiao is.



I say either pac close UD or Chavez TKO11

This is actually a decent analogy but I wouldn't go as far as saying Macho was WAY faster than Pac. They might have had comparable speed but Pac's angels are what throws people off.

I see Chavez chasing Pac for the entire fight and maybe having a chance to ko him or lose by dec.

[baracuda]

Well Steward felt Cotto was a favourite vs Manny and Mosley vs Mayweather was 50/50.

Sugars "lists" constantly changes.

I would say alot of their opinions are attention whoring, some is over excited fanfare based on hype and also a touch of flavour of the month.

Lets just say it is hardly controversial to feel Pernell is a better fighter than Manny Pacquiao. I am hardly alone on that opinion and if you were around to watch boxing before Pacquiao vs De la Hoya you might have had a more realistic viewpoint than the usual ******* logic (as in Manny is top5 ATG, he is not)

look dumbass, i just posted what the experts have said in the past....if you feel pernell is better than pac so be it, but dont get your panties in bunch if i think the opposite ...youre prolly the one who only heard of pac before the hoya fight .........still ,experts opinions>>>>>>>>yours!

[edgarg]

We all seem to forget that in most of Manny's big wins, he has had an edge of some sort, Oscar dehydrated to the bone, Cotto a catchweight, Hatton , ran in with his chin out and hands down, etc. Now I'm not saying that Manny is not a top class fighter, he is, but Julio Caesar Chavez of THOSE days, was unbeatable by anyone I've ever seen.....and I've seen nost of them.

And Hatton had been KO'd badly in the previous Mayweather fight, having rammed his head squarely into the ring post.