The Truth About Why So Many Americans Hate The Klitschko's...

[knn]

then why did that bum Corrie Sanders do what he did to Wlad? You have alot of excuses.

Did you just use an African (Corrie Sanders) as proof that Americans could win against East-Europeans?

Maybe Africans are even better than East-Europeans.

[Vadrigar.]

Did you just use an African (Corrie Sanders) as proof that Americans could win against East-Europeans?

Maybe Africans are even better than East-Europeans.

sanders had vlad's eyes flickering with a jab, imagine what tommy hearns would do with a southpaw jab.

[Calilloyd]

[QUOTE=BillyBoxing;8575693]Whatever.

Foreman has a puncher chance but Wlad would outbox Foreman bad,if you think Wlad is a Gerry Cooney you are damn wrong,Wlad is skillfull,athletic,and his chinny days ar behind him due to perfect footwork and good D.

Foreman fought like a ****** and a poor boxer against Ali,throwin body punches like a ******,the guy was a beast but not a very good boxer.
And I don't care he beat a light heavyweight,Moorer at 45 years old.

Wlad would outbox Foreman so much it would be embarassing.
He was too slow to beat the 2010 Wlad.

Legends are overrated,boxing fans are ****** and biased.[/QUOTE]

That includes you.

[knn]

argumnet ducked

If you say so.

[Vadrigar.]

If you say so.

Yes, since it's not me who is the ALT.

[WladIsTheChamp]

The weight limit of the heavyweights has changed as have the size of its fighters in the division.

it was RARE to see a 6'7 250lb heavyweight in the 50's and 60's. This is why that specific weight range is a heavyweight class.

But to use a current definition (which has no authority) and try and superimpose it on an era in which only 1% of fighters matched the current definition is just plain absurdity.


clithuggers are in denial over some unarguable facts (like that prior to the moment the CW division was created, there was no such thing as a CW fighter, hence, if you were fighting weighing 176 lbs, you were a HW, and you still are to this day)
This proves that Ali was fighting in a legitimate heavyweight division.

If we folly the clithuggers flawed logic Marciano, Tunney, Dempsey, Charles, Walcott, Johnson were never HW champions.

Just one word is enough to shatter the clithuggers arguments: CONTEXT

Weight doesn't mean ****. I am assuming you've heard of tommy hearns right?

Thomas hearns would clean his clock.



All he needs is one big leveraged right hand to put vlad to sleep.


Transition One: Hearns lands a stiff southpaw jab (LoL):



Transition Two: As soon as Vlad takes the count Hearns finishes up with a big leveraged right hand:



Just like a rotting corpse

I assume you thought that bringing Hearns into this discussion means something but your logic and reasoning skills are woeful. You brought in the Tommy Hearns pictures and then compared him to Corrie Sanders pictures, implying that they are similar in some fashion, to support your argument that weight does not matter and that Tommy Hearns would do the same to Wlad as Corrie did to him. I am going to blow your half-witted assertion out of the water: Thomas Hearns NEVER fought anyone that weighed more than him by FOUR pounds (not four and zero, just four), he has a 70% ko ratio against guys who were 160-175 mostly, he never fought anyone above 192, yet you are saying he would have knocked out a 247 solid muscle Wlad or a 253 lbs monster Vitaly who Lewis could not knock down with his best shot?

Sanders was a powerful leftie 225 lbs, he would have KOd Hearns in the first 10 seconds. Wlad would do the same. Vitaly would put Hearns in a comma and permanently disable him.

You are too easy man. Oh and Ali did not fight legitimate HWs, 177 and 180lbs are not legitimate HWs, you calling them that, does not make them legitimate. Our understanding of HWs changed but that does not make a 177lb man a LEGITIMATE HW. The key word is LEGITIMATE, do you know what that words means?

Also, it's you that always does the fantasy time-machine match-ups of Ali and Company against the Klitschkos, so if you are going to do a H2H then you need to take into account the weights of their respective opponents to do an apples-to-apples comparison. When you do that, Ali comes up short, he only managed to get a 60% KO against guys who were 177, 180, 185 lbs, while outweighing most of them. The Klitschkos have 86 and 92% KO ratios against guys 220 to 270. If you do a H2H it appears that Klitschkos have had to fight real HWs and Ali was beating up of light heavies. Look, when you give credit to Ali for beating Cleveland Williams in the state he was in after all his losses, you sound ******ed.

[knn]

Also, it's you that always does the fantasy time-machine match-ups of Ali and Company against the Klitschkos, so if you are going to do a H2H then you need to take into account the weights of their respective opponents to do an apples-to-apples comparison. When you do that, Ali comes up short, he only managed to get a 60% KO against guys who were 177, 180, 185 lbs, while outweighing most of them. The Klitschkos have 86 and 92% KO ratios against guys 220 to 270.

Brilliant post. Let me add that it's Ali and Foreman who outweighed their opponents, while Wladimir Klitschko does far less so:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5549480#post5549480

[WladIsTheChamp]

Brilliant post. Let me add that it's Ali and Foreman who outweighed their opponents, while Wladimir Klitschko does far less so:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...80#post5549480

Thanks man. These half-******ed Klitschko haters with an agenda or bias of some sort can't accept them being HW ATGs, so they have to label this the "worst era of boxing". Maybe it's just that they are old, I can see nostalgia being a big factor. Everything from your youth is "better" than it is now.

I actually think Ali, Foreman, and the other past ATGs are great and more than happy to give them their dues but what I don't get are the crazy H2H comparisons where Ali all of sudden kills both Klitschkos with one punch. If anyone takes a look at their respective records, that does not appear to be the case.

[Vadrigar.]

I assume you thought that bringing Hearns into this discussion means something but your logic and reasoning skills are woeful. You brought in the Tommy Hearns pictures and then compared him to Corrie Sanders pictures, implying that they are similar in some fashion, to support your argument that weight does not matter and that Tommy Hearns would do the same to Wlad as Corrie did to him. I am going to blow your half-witted assertion out of the water: Thomas Hearns NEVER fought anyone that weighed more than him by FOUR pounds (not four and zero, just four), he has a 70% ko ratio against guys who were 160-175 mostly, he never fought anyone above 192, yet you are saying he would have knocked out a 247 solid muscle Wlad or a 253 lbs monster Vitaly who Lewis could not knock down with his best shot?

Sanders was a powerful leftie 225 lbs, he would have KOd Hearns in the first 10 seconds. Wlad would do the same. Vitaly would put Hearns in a comma and permanently disable him.

You are too easy man. Oh and Ali did not fight legitimate HWs, 177 and 180lbs are not legitimate HWs, you calling them that, does not make them legitimate. Our understanding of HWs changed but that does not make a 177lb man a LEGITIMATE HW. The key word is LEGITIMATE, do you know what that words means?

Also, it's you that always does the fantasy time-machine match-ups of Ali and Company against the Klitschkos, so if you are going to do a H2H then you need to take into account the weights of their respective opponents to do an apples-to-apples comparison. When you do that, Ali comes up short, he only managed to get a 60% KO against guys who were 177, 180, 185 lbs, while outweighing most of them. The Klitschkos have 86 and 92% KO ratios against guys 220 to 270. If you do a H2H it appears that Klitschkos have had to fight real HWs and Ali was beating up of light heavies. Look, when you give credit to Ali for beating Cleveland Williams in the state he was in after all his losses, you sound ******ed.

"Thomas Hearns NEVER fought anyone that weighed more than him by FOUR pounds (not four and zero, just four), he has a 70% ko ratio against guys who were 160-175 mostly, he never fought anyone above 192, yet you are saying he would have knocked out a 247 solid muscle Wlad or a 253 lbs monster Vitaly who Lewis could not knock down with his best shot? " Vlad has a glass chin, corrie sanders had his legs glued to the canvas from a jab. Thomas hearns will spark him out.


"Sanders was a powerful leftie 225 lbs, he would have KOd Hearns in the first 10 seconds. Wlad would do the same. Vitaly would put Hearns in a comma and permanently disable him." - Hearns is faster than sanders and vlad. He would get to them first.

"You are too easy man. Oh and Ali did not fight legitimate HWs, 177 and 180lbs are not legitimate HWs, you calling them that, does not make them legitimate. Our understanding of HWs changed but that does not make a 177lb man a LEGITIMATE HW. The key word is LEGITIMATE, do you know what that words means? " - There is no such thing as a legitimate heavyweight because the term is relative not absolute. The parameters for the weight class depend on the CONTEXT of the time frame/era. Once again,
it was RARE to see a 6'7 250lb heavyweight in the 50's and 60's. This is why that specific weight range is a heavyweight class.

But to use a current definition (which has no authority) and try and superimpose it on an era in which only 1% of fighters matched the current definition is just plain absurdity.


clithuggers are in denial over some unarguable facts (like that prior to the moment the CW division was created, there was no such thing as a CW fighter, hence, if you were fighting weighing 176 lbs, you were a HW, and you still are to this day)
This proves that Ali was fighting in a legitimate heavyweight division.

"Also, it's you that always does the fantasy time-machine match-ups of Ali and Company against the Klitschkos, so if you are going to do a H2H then you need to take into account the weights of their respective opponents to do an apples-to-apples comparison. When you do that, Ali comes up short, he only managed to get a 60% KO against guys who were 177, 180, 185 lbs, while outweighing most of them. The Klitschkos have 86 and 92% KO ratios against guys 220 to 270. If you do a H2H it appears that Klitschkos have had to fight real HWs and Ali was beating up of light heavies. Look, when you give credit to Ali for beating Cleveland Williams in the state he was in after all his losses, you sound ******ed." - weight dosen't mean **** in h2h matches. Ali had An ATG heavyweight chin and faced the biggest punchers of all time. Having a lower weight is an advantage to Ali because the klitscko's will be too slow to get to him and even if they did they have 0% chance of knocking him out. It was cleveland williams' choice whether he wanted to enforce his mandatory position. The fact that he did is evidence that he felt in good shape. In the fight he through some ferocious shots which Ali dodged due to his reflexes. Ali had surprising pop in his punches when he was close to his prime. He knocked cleveland williams down going backwards. He would have killed vlad's chin. You must have down's syndrome.

[j.one]

We don't like them because there terrible to watch, the Kings of the worst division ever and they have every advantage and still fight scared and refuse to create excitement. Thats the truth if they were entertaining they'd be given as much love as any other exciting fighter. T