Why i believe Pac is on PED's.

[| THE KING |]

like I said before if Pac had not made excuses on why he should not Take OSTs I would have never gone back looking for clues as to when and were he started using. and I believe it was around the Diaz fight. If he was wieght drained his whole career as one guy said, then his whole team are dumd fcks for takeing so long to realize. You have to admit the dude has been in many wars and over 50 fights it just does not add up...

Like I said, if you think its ok to try and ruin the legacy of a fighter with no proof.. more power to you. Both manny and floyd have huge egos. Now manny wants the fight and is compromising. Does floyd want to fight?

[Alibata]

IMDAZED, you know that’s not what they do, they act like children...I'm guilty of it from time to time when they piss me off. But the fact is, they don't listen to reason and are incapable of logical thinking. When I’m debating I’ll give credit if they make a good point even if I don’t agree with them.

LOGICAL THINKING??? Damn you guys make me laugh.. Where is the logic in your thinking?.. You accuse Manny of being on PEDs.. What is it based on? Alright Mr. Logical... You sure have a huge following of rocket scientists and logical thinkers.

[IMDAZED]

IMDAZED, you know that’s not what they do, they act like children...I'm guilty of it from time to time when they piss me off. But the fact is, they don't listen to reason and are incapable of logical thinking. When I’m debating I’ll give credit if they make a good point even if I don’t agree with them.

Well they've done a good job stretching this debate FAR AWAY from what the TS created. Let's try and bring it back and see how quick they scurry away or try to twist it again.

Can anyone comment on the TS's initial post?

[southcentralcar]

All I hear is

k i see youre about to get the best argument *******s have.. milk bottles

[check hook]

IMDAZED, you know that’s not what they do, they act like children...I'm guilty of it from time to time when they piss me off. But the fact is, they don't listen to reason and are incapable of logical thinking. When I’m debating I’ll give credit if they make a good point even if I don’t agree with them.

i am also guilty of that..........but you are right...there is many posters on here incapable of forming any meaningful thoughts..........

[| THE KING |]

Ti, ALibata , Cgarcia any loyal, PAc fan can you answer the following:

Why is anyone who questions manny a hater? Are you the least bit concerned with his actions and changing statements regarding PED's? I get why you feel his hard work is being discredited. But, what if floyd sr. is right?

I didn't call you a hater man. But the way the mayweather camp went about these baseless accusations to the public didn't make manny happy. It's a mental game as well. Both these guys have huge egos...

[maguirre]

BINGO!!!! yes it is... These asses try to cover up like its not which is funny as hell.... He is the Godfather of this movement... These guys are his parrots trying to sound intellectual. They want us to rebut but you can't rebutt their arguments but you cant fight paranoia with reality. In their minds they have formulated and calculated ways to make the dude in that picture right... It is all just the same, Paranoia. Manny aint on no PEDs.. Most Floyd fans know that **** as well. It is just these idiots right here.

Like I said, these threads are diversionary tactics. These *****s hate it when Fraud is the subject of the thread. Haha... so effing obvious. We Pac fans need to stop responding to these ****** threads. We all know that Fraud is retiring again. So now they're making threads about Pac. Haha... This thread is about justifying the OST crap. But how many threads have they started saying Pac is one dimensional, his opponents were shot, leftovers, weight drained... Their brains are f*** up.

[check hook]

LOGICAL THINKING??? Damn you guys make me laugh.. Where is the logic in your thinking?.. You accuse Manny of being on PEDs.. What is it based on? Alright Mr. Logical... You sure have a huge following of rocket scientists and logical thinkers.

there is 10 paragraphs on the first page..........maybe you should read them........

[BuckToothed]

This is VERY open to speculation.

I completely agree... However, gaining 14lbs water weight over night is not the same as 10lbs of water consistently feeding your muscles thru out training.
Your muscles would be harshly stressed by not being suspended in water, lets say for a week of water draining.

[| THE KING |]

Nothing the TS has stated has been refuted. Instead it's "Floyd this, ***** that, you have diahrrea." When has a fighter moved up after 15 years and 60 fights and gotten better? Seriously?

LOL!

People have brought in facts, you on the other hand.