Why i believe Pac is on PED's.

[IMDAZED]

Ok, some math here... when he fought at 130 (scale weight) he steps in the ring at 144 so thats 14lbs water he had to cut, I dont know how long since Im not his nutritionist.

When he fought Cotto, he weighed in the scale at 144, his ring weight was 148 so thats only 4lbs he cut. There were reports of him eating a full meal prior to weigh in.

This is VERY open to speculation.

[odogg8121]

No prob. Why don't you refute his comments so we can debate like grown men?

IMDAZED, you know that’s not what they do, they act like children...I'm guilty of it from time to time when they piss me off. But the fact is, they don't listen to reason and are incapable of logical thinking. When I’m debating I’ll give credit if they make a good point even if I don’t agree with them.

[The Big Dunn]

Ti, ALibata , Cgarcia any loyal, PAc fan can you answer the following:

Why is anyone who questions manny a hater? Are you the least bit concerned with his actions and changing statements regarding PED's? I get why you feel his hard work is being discredited. But, what if floyd sr. is right?

[boojee]

Ali is a d*ckrider. So is "TI" and the rest. Therefore, they assume everyone else is a d*ckrider too. If you entertain the thought of Manny juicing, you're a *****. Make sense?

lol actually you're the biggest ***** here in bs, and anyone with half a brain here can see that

[| THE KING |]

youre a pathetic fanboy *****. have respect for the sport. why does pac keeps comin up with excuses why wont he just take the tests . tell me is that not su****ious at all to you ?

btw your avi is muuuch worse.

All I hear is

[Alibata]

No, it doesn't. Does Manny gain 10lbs every night? What is his walking around weight? How much did he have to cut to get down to 130? How long does that take him? How was he able to move up to 147 in a matter of months and suffer only a slight loss of speed yet increase his stamina?

STFU... It is not impossible you crack head.. You are getting repetitive with your b.s... You know how ****** you sound trying to make something so simple complicated and impossible...

[IMDAZED]

IMDAZED:

I'm hoping for a real discussion where both fighters actions and statemenst are analyzed rather than the BS.

Nothing the TS has stated has been refuted. Instead it's "Floyd this, ***** that, you have diahrrea." When has a fighter moved up after 15 years and 60 fights and gotten better? Seriously?

[check hook]

BINGO!!!! yes it is... These asses try to cover up like its not which is funny as hell.... He is the Godfather of this movement... These guys are his parrots trying to sound intellectual. They want us to rebutt but you can't rebutt their arguments and fight paranoia with reality. In their minds they have formulated and calculated ways to make the dude in that picture right... It is all just the same, Paranoia. Manny aint on no PEDs.. Most Floyd fans know that **** as well. It is just these idiots right here.

[IMDAZED]

lol actually you're the biggest ***** here in bs, and anyone with half a brain here can see that

**Looks at avi**

**laughs**

[odogg8121]

i'm not sure who wins.....but i like what i saw against SSM.....if Floyd can back Pac up he will win......Pac can't fight moving backwards......

Don't forget he leaves his self open for strights and uppercuts.