A Cuban Discipline Crisis?

[TheGreatA]

I can certainly understand the reasons for the general lack of discipline among Cuban pros, but as a result I tend to judge them before they've even gotten their career started and tend to be proven right, yet I always hope that I'm wrong because the fighters do have enormous amounts of talent. But they've been through a lot and surely feel they deserve to live the good life instead of going through rigorous routines daily. It comes back to haunt them once their careers are over though.

[King Ju-Ju]

**** is ****ed up for the cubanos.

[{Pito}]

there's guillermo's side, roach's side, and then there's truth somewhere in between

[Evil Abed]

Man this is an old thread.

Forgot about this one.

[Kagami Taiga]

i honestly think a lot of it is circumstance as opposed to cultural. i mean these guys basically leave what they know and find themselves in a strange foreign land where things move much faster. they are called stars, they wanna live big, etc. have things they never have, and this is what u get. it happens in baseball too. its very common across sports for many cubans.

the onus is on their teams and their managers to provide them with the base and the support they need to stay focused. u cant just throw them in the 10 ft section of the pool and hope they swim.

[JmH Reborn]

Its sad how easily cubans are brought down while down here. It speaks volume to the life they live in Cuba. I think its a reason why I was always a big fan of Casamayor, because he rose above it and was a great champ.

I'm not cuban, but I've haven't met one that I didn't like (we won't talk about ol' boy when I lived in Albuquerque, that nucca was crazy, although his sister was too damn fine. He was warring with the mexicans on their turf). They are good people who work hard. Easy to admire.

It must be tough to leave a family behind and not really know the stuff they're going through at home.

[Mikhnienko]

i honestly think a lot of it is circumstance as opposed to cultural. i mean these guys basically leave what they know and find themselves in a strange foreign land where things move much faster. they are called stars, they wanna live big, etc. have things they never have, and this is what u get. it happens in baseball too. its very common across sports for many cubans.

the onus is on their teams and their managers to provide them with the base and the support they need to stay focused. u cant just throw them in the 10 ft section of the pool and hope they swim.

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I have thought about this myself before about Cuban fighters. Currently Solis is a great example.

One thing that i can't overlook though is they seem to use the cultural differences coming from a communist country and living in the US away from their home as an excuse for their lack of discipline.

When comparing this to Eastern European fighters from former Soviet countries there doesn't seem to be the same discipline epidemic with them.

In terms of diaspora populations i'm sure that Cuban fighters have a much bigger sense of community and cultural familiarity than any Eastern European fighter could find anywhere in the US. So the whole homesick argument, while legitimate, doesn't fully explain or excuse how prevelant this is among Cuban fighters.???????? any thoughts

Lots of guys come to the US from foreign countries and Cubans would feel less out of place in in some of the cities with large Cuban diasporas compared to most other foreigners and guys from Eastern Europe in particular are coming from similar conditions in their home countries yet in no other group of fighters is this sort of thing more frequent.

[Kagami Taiga]

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Lots of guys come to the US from foreign countries and Cubans would feel less out of place in in some of the cities with large Cuban diasporas compared to most other foreigners and guys from Eastern Europe in particular are coming from similar conditions in their home countries yet in no other group of fighters is this sort of thing more frequent.

how many eastern european fighters are forced to stay in the us and not return home?? its not the same thing. most euro fighters dont even really leave their contries. they stay there and they might train in the u.s. but really the only examples i can think of of real transplants are the k bros. and they had already transplanted to Germany b4 coming to the states.

[Mikhnienko]

how many eastern european fighters are forced to stay in the us and not return home?? its not the same thing. most euro fighters dont even really leave their contries. they stay there and they might train in the u.s. but really the only examples i can think of of real transplants are the k bros. and they had already transplanted to Germany b4 coming to the states.

Tszyu, Jirov, Arbachakov there are plenty of guy who re locate but even if you were right that would be the least applicable reason as an excuse. That should be the biggest motivating factor to succeed, get money, possibly even improve your chances of being reunited with them. Otherwise your defecting and seperation was completely in vain and all you've done is turn into a fat slob and wasted your talent and means to make money. That wouldn't make me feel any sympathy for them but view them with distain for giving up on themselves and their family.

[ManOfVictory]

Its sad because Cubas has more talent than all of the caribbean islands put together.