Comments Thread For: Arum: Pacquiao Has Agreed, Mayweather's Move is Next

[cupocity303]

this is hilarious... there will never be an end to this.
although pac has proven to be a huge draw by HIMSELF...
floyd has bragging rights for pulling bigger numbers with shane....
plus, shane > clottey....
terms CANNOT be the same as initial march terms... so much has changed, and the balance of power switched.... in march, pac was the man. floyd HAD to agree to the terms.... but now, floyd is in a better bargaining position. PERIOD.

being UNBIASED, based off of both fighters' last fights:

floyd/shane
• floyd defeated bigger name opponent (+1)
• floyd pulled 1.4m with HELP from shane (+1)
• shane agreed to USADA, but proved the inconvenience of it (0)
• floyd put on great performance against elite fighter (+1)

pac/clottey
• pac defeated no name fighter (0)
• pac pulled 700k by HIMSELF, proved to be a huge draw ALONE (+1)
• clottey not impressed with pac's power, no accusations of PEDs (0)
• pac showcased tremendous action/conditioning against unwilling fighter (0)

based off of these points, floyd surpassed pac by fighting shane... this doesnt discredit anything pac has done, floyd just simply 1-upped him...
he has every right to ask for a bigger purse. as for USADA testing, most people think this is BS... floyd ISNT trying to clean up the sport, if he was, then he would be an ambassador and proactively promote USADA for ALL BOXING MATCHES, and when he retires he will continue to fight to keep boxing "clean".... but i think we ALL know that wont happen. USADA is just another tactic for floyd. there is no sincerity in it AT ALL.... if he is sincere, then we SHOULD all expect him to use USADA for all fighters under the mayweather promotions banner (if he had a stable of fighters).

personally, based off of cotto's & clottey's own statements, there is no reason to suspect manny of foul play.... neither fighter mentioned manny having UNWORLDLY punching power... manny's tenacity & punch output nullified their offenses the same way floyd's defense nullifies his opponents.

so USADA should be dropped, but to save face... floyd has to keep his stance firm.... although 14 day cutoff would prove pointless, if it makes the fight happen then why not????

i think 55/45 for floyd is fair, and 14 day cutoff will have to suffice....
just to get this damn fight to happen. LOL. floyd can negotiate to have his bodyguards in the ring with him if he is apprehensive about manny's "power". HAHAH.

Nice post, that got lost amongst the other drivel.

[ADP02]

There are no negotiations. Just Arum talking to himself (and the media) as always.

From what's been in the news of late, it appeared to be that they were negotiating as they even stated that they wanted both camps to stay quiet until there is a deal made.

So when one camp comes out and talks, it usually means a stalemate and nobody is budging from their position.

I personally don't care who gets what. I just want to see the fight ..... so I'm hoping that one side doesn't ask for too much. At the moment, it appears that Floyd is asking for more than the previous negotiations.

[cupocity303]

Its the next logical move with a fair deal buddy. And you're crazy if you don't think he'd do similar numbers with Williams and Martinez as he did with Mosley. The key to a successful Floyd Mayweather PPV is #1, having an opponent that his haters think will beat him. He brings a sure fan/haterbase of about a million, and the haters who pay to see him lose make up most of that million. They would pay to see him fight Williams or Martinez because a lot of people think he would lose to both of them. #2, he needs a match-up that the 500K or so hardcore households will embrace. The hardcore fans will embrace a match-up with either. That was the difference in the numbers between the fights with Msoley and JMM. He has his million that will buy redardless, but with JMM, he got almost no support from the hardcore fans. That's why he got 300K+ more buys with Mosley. Both those criterias fit with Williams or Martinez, so to think he wouldn't do similar numbers is crazy. The only reason he wouldn't is if he got a lot of backlash for not fighting Pac. And basically, there's no way to determine that without trial and era.

BTW, Mosley doesn't have a fanbase that mattered to the success of his promotion with Money.

You know what, that's a interesting point.

Good post.

[ElMeroChingon]

If it was that F@cken easy, why didn't Arum put it out like that in first place!

[hitking]

Where are you getting your number 40 from? I can post you a article right now that states he only made 20 to 25 million from the Mosley fight.

Floyd likes to exaggerate his numbers.

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/05/10/adviser-floyd-mayweather-earns-40-million-against-shane-mosley/

[| THE KING |]

You're right, but you forget that Mayweather had just done 1.1M PPV buys with a guy Pac did 400K with a year earlier. And when you look at their common opponents, Mayweather has outdrawn Pac at a 2:1 clip with them. So even with the higher buyrate with Cotto, Pac was in no position to ask for more than 50/50. By walking away from the table and letting Mayweather reestablish his PPV dominance, Pac relinquished his lone upperhand in the negotiations. So of course now those the old terms are acceptable to Pac because he and his team knows that they have nothing to back them getting anything better, Mayweather does.

To be fair, Pac vs marquez 1 & 2 were PRE-ODLH..Floyd vs Marquez was POST-ODLH. BOTH floyd and manny ppv and starpower increased after ODLH fights.

BTW: Manny was bringing in BIG NUMBERS for the LOWER WEIGHT divisions and made record numbers down there..

[dougie123]

Manny don't deserve 50/50

Manny don't deserve 50/50. It should be 60/40 Mayweather. Floyd is undefeated, beaten everyone put in front of him and is the true No1 pound for pound fighter in the world. Manny should be lucky to just get in the same ring as PBF. Floyd will knock him out within 5 rounds.

[IMDAZED]

From what's been in the news of late, it appeared to be that they were negotiating as they even stated that they wanted both camps to stay quiet until there is a deal made.

So when one camp comes out and talks, it usually means a stalemate and nobody is budging from their position.

I personally don't care who gets what. I just want to see the fight ..... so I'm hoping that one side doesn't ask for too much. At the moment, it appears that Floyd is asking for more than the previous negotiations.

Floyd's camp has said nothing. They've also said no negotiations are taking place. Last week, Arum said he hadn't heard from their side. In other words, stop believing their lies.

[feefiflofum]

Oooh, that was cold. Cold, man! Man, if only your girl could see how tough you are now. She woulda never ****ed with that monkey

man is that suppose to be worse than me calling u a monkey? LOL monkeeeeyy

top it off with the fact youre arquing and getting riled up by a "DUMB" guy who didnt go to school... thats like cotto getting own by a tomatoe can...dude it must really piss u off..... if only u werent a monkey, u wouldnt be....lol hahahahaa

[Jimbo16031992]

You know what, that's a interesting point.

Good post.

Was it not obvious that he get loads of PPV buys from people wanting to see him lose? That is one reason why he is so big on staying undefeated, if/when he loses those people will no longer need to buy his fights.