Cotto is still shot!!!

[Hiram Joel]

This is one of those "fans" I am talking about.

we are now a lil dumber? seriously , dont u have something smarter to contribute. Is that how u analyze boxing too

LULZ you had me dying for a moment with that video LOL!!

[gingeralbino]

I am saying he is not. I believe he showed that its all about styles. dont you think. some styles will prevail with some , but not with others , doesnt really men ur shot , does t?

this is NSB, if a fighter loses, he is either shot and/or exposed.

And if the fighter loses to Floyd or Pac he is weight drained, shot, exposed, **** to begin with, old and only fought for a pay check and didnt even try to win. Theres probably more i forgot, but you get the idea.

[ChiTown2Diego]

The important question is does your boy Floyd think you're a "good annalist?"

That's funny dude, I missed that.


First, I'm actually surprised I read that ***n novel you dropped on us. And second, he isn't what he used to be but shot is definitely not the correct word to use.

[feefiflofum]

ur right , U make a very valid point , this is exaclty what im not talking bout.

what r u on about? and sorry if i didnt make a valid point, im still trying to figure out what ur saying... u saying cotto is not shot but he come across that way since hes hybrid himself to be a boxer/pressure fighter instead of sticking to his pressure fighting body hunting winning formula?

you gots a valid point man

but all youre implying now is cotto is not fighting the statregy u think he should stick to and thats fine, your opinion

[Red Rebel]

Like always I am not scared to let my thoughts out and be outspoken. I am not going to care for the red K , its welcomed , for the names , the lil videos , its all welcomed.

But seriously , I am now more convinved than ever , that this forum , with a few exceptions , is populated by fans alright. Fans that dont really know what has to be taken into consideration , or how to analyze an upcoming fight or how to read matchups.

Everyone makes the wrong pick every now and then. I haven't always made the right pick when trying to come up with a possible winner , no one has. But there are those few ones , that believe that by calling u names , or giving u a bad rep , or posting a "smart comment" as a reply to ur post , actually are better fans , and know more than you.

And if u care to read , read , if u dont , there are plenty of **** threads u can go check out.

I am picking one of my favorite fighters , who is also my countryman , to get my point across because I think its the best example of what Im talking about.

Cotto being shot.

To some is a reality , to others is close , to me , is yet to be proven.

What I believe is a shot fighter , and most recent example that comes to mind is Jose Luis Castillo , with all due respect , because up to this day , he has been the closest man to beat the ATG Floyd. Yes ATG , its what I believe , And yes , I think castllo won you dont?? its cool.

castillo went thru battles with Corrales , and Floyd- Castillo was also a pretty action packed fight.

What happened recently , He was man handled by a c- fighter in alfonso Gomez yes I believe he is a c- fighter)

That performance , that way to go out , that to me is a shot fighter.

Now Cotto , who was always known to press the fight , to handle opponents like a lion with a relentless style and vicious punching , chose to fight a different way against Margarito. If anyone failed to see that then , you might be a good fan , but not a good annalist.

Cotto was landing punches at will , stopping Margarito momentarily , and backing up. IMO , Cotto could have stopped Margarito a la Mosley. Cotto was landing vicious combinations and making Margarito look like the potato sack he is. But since he and his corner didnt notice this , and Cotto kept trying to outbox him , he gased out. Cotto could have walked thru Margarito , he was landing at will , margarito would cover up , Did Cotto work the body?????? Wh did he decide to land 3-4 combo and just box and go back. That wasnt his style. It was the boxer style he tried to pull off that cost him the fight.( yes that is what I believe) margarito has resistance and a great chin , but Cotto is by far the better , more complete fighter , But again , styles make fights.

Clottey slacked and gave let Cotto steal championship rounds , and back him up , when he clearly wasnt feeling much of Cottos power , and when he clearly had the speed advantage. Cotto got a 2 point round in the begining , 3 rounds at the end by Clottey slacking , and in between , The seventh was a clear Cotto round , whn he cornered Clotte for the majority of it. Judges didnt rob Clottey , Cotto robbed Clottey.

Against Pac , again , styles make fights , and Cotto even tho he won the first , and maybe the second , he tried to engage , forgot about the jab and defense , but anyways , that would have made it a closer fight anyways , But prob still had the same outcome.

So am I ******ed for believing all of this??? I could call you ******ed if you dont, right?? See why it doesnt really affect me.

Why is Cotto shot , and not rafael marquez.

We all cant have the same opinion about things , And I am cool with that. But to talk boxng , u gotta talk boxing , and boxing has many different aspects , styles , skills , attributes , and fighters. Just ecause you lose one , doesnt mean ur shot , Also , just because u beat an undefeated champion , doesnt mean you will beat the ones he beat.

Also , perfct example of the triangle effect

Mosley>>> Margarito
Margarito>>> Cotto
Cotto>>Mosley
You want to know what I think. It takes more than a great chin and resistance to hang with Mosley , it takes skill.

Thats what separates those 3 fighters from each other and their victories over each other.

yes its long , but you read so much crap on here , like the Pactar wars , like the lopez is a duck , Like the Haye is a duck , like the Cintron is a clown , etc etc etc , that if u dont have 5 minutes to read my **** , it just shows me the trolling intentions and the desire to rack up e-points and bet , and ur love for the green rep bar. So red k me and call me names. I will still stand by my word , and you by yours , we will still watch boxing , maybe not appreciate it the same way , and we will still be getting into those endless "opinion" debates. Cuz thats just what they are.

good breakdown....

[Ray*]

I thought your arguement was Cotto is shot? After reading it i realise you meant Cotto isnt shot and i agree i dont think Cotto is shot but i think he was been involve in too many wars and the wear and tear on him is telling.

[boxing_pundit85]

Like always I am not scared to let my thoughts out and be outspoken. I am not going to care for the red K , its welcomed , for the names , the lil videos , its all welcomed.

But seriously , I am now more convinved than ever , that this forum , with a few exceptions , is populated by fans alright. Fans that dont really know what has to be taken into consideration , or how to analyze an upcoming fight or how to read matchups.

Everyone makes the wrong pick every now and then. I haven't always made the right pick when trying to come up with a possible winner , no one has. But there are those few ones , that believe that by calling u names , or giving u a bad rep , or posting a "smart comment" as a reply to ur post , actually are better fans , and know more than you.

And if u care to read , read , if u dont , there are plenty of **** threads u can go check out.

I am picking one of my favorite fighters , who is also my countryman , to get my point across because I think its the best example of what Im talking about.

Cotto being shot.

To some is a reality , to others is close , to me , is yet to be proven.

What I believe is a shot fighter , and most recent example that comes to mind is Jose Luis Castillo , with all due respect , because up to this day , he has been the closest man to beat the ATG Floyd. Yes ATG , its what I believe , And yes , I think castllo won you dont?? its cool.

castillo went thru battles with Corrales , and Floyd- Castillo was also a pretty action packed fight.

What happened recently , He was man handled by a c- fighter in alfonso Gomez yes I believe he is a c- fighter)

That performance , that way to go out , that to me is a shot fighter.

Now Cotto , who was always known to press the fight , to handle opponents like a lion with a relentless style and vicious punching , chose to fight a different way against Margarito. If anyone failed to see that then , you might be a good fan , but not a good annalist.

Cotto was landing punches at will , stopping Margarito momentarily , and backing up. IMO , Cotto could have stopped Margarito a la Mosley. Cotto was landing vicious combinations and making Margarito look like the potato sack he is. But since he and his corner didnt notice this , and Cotto kept trying to outbox him , he gased out. Cotto could have walked thru Margarito , he was landing at will , margarito would cover up , Did Cotto work the body?????? Wh did he decide to land 3-4 combo and just box and go back. That wasnt his style. It was the boxer style he tried to pull off that cost him the fight.( yes that is what I believe) margarito has resistance and a great chin , but Cotto is by far the better , more complete fighter , But again , styles make fights.

Clottey slacked and gave let Cotto steal championship rounds , and back him up , when he clearly wasnt feeling much of Cottos power , and when he clearly had the speed advantage. Cotto got a 2 point round in the begining , 3 rounds at the end by Clottey slacking , and in between , The seventh was a clear Cotto round , whn he cornered Clotte for the majority of it. Judges didnt rob Clottey , Cotto robbed Clottey.

Against Pac , again , styles make fights , and Cotto even tho he won the first , and maybe the second , he tried to engage , forgot about the jab and defense , but anyways , that would have made it a closer fight anyways , But prob still had the same outcome.

So am I ******ed for believing all of this??? I could call you ******ed if you dont, right?? See why it doesnt really affect me.

Why is Cotto shot , and not rafael marquez.

We all cant have the same opinion about things , And I am cool with that. But to talk boxng , u gotta talk boxing , and boxing has many different aspects , styles , skills , attributes , and fighters. Just ecause you lose one , doesnt mean ur shot , Also , just because u beat an undefeated champion , doesnt mean you will beat the ones he beat.

Also , perfct example of the triangle effect

Mosley>>> Margarito
Margarito>>> Cotto
Cotto>>Mosley
You want to know what I think. It takes more than a great chin and resistance to hang with Mosley , it takes skill.

Thats what separates those 3 fighters from each other and their victories over each other.

yes its long , but you read so much crap on here , like the Pactar wars , like the lopez is a duck , Like the Haye is a duck , like the Cintron is a clown , etc etc etc , that if u dont have 5 minutes to read my **** , it just shows me the trolling intentions and the desire to rack up e-points and bet , and ur love for the green rep bar. So red k me and call me names. I will still stand by my word , and you by yours , we will still watch boxing , maybe not appreciate it the same way , and we will still be getting into those endless "opinion" debates. Cuz thats just what they are.

well he isnt prime, physically or mentally. it took him like 4 minutes to knockout a one legged fighter..... in his prime it takes him (very)roughly 45 sec. call it what you want. he is still a b plus or a- level fighter though....

[ATG Fighter]

You make good points man. My view on Cotto is similar too. A fighter becomes shot on this forum if they lose one fight. That is because of the hate and mob mentality here.

I think if people go back and look at the Cotto-Pac fight they will notice that even after Cotto was beat up a little bit, he tried simply boxing with jabs this one round (can't remember the exact round atm) and I thought he looked better that round. Although even if Cotto fought a more reserved and safe fight, I think Pacquiao would still win. Cotto went in against an offensive force and thought that his offense and power is better. Sorry, Pacquiao walked through his shots and hit him back with more power and speed. Pacquiao is just better and on top of his game.

But that doesn't mean Cotto is shot. He just lost to a great fighter. To me a shot fighter is Shane Mosley or Nate Campbell. Campbell for sure. They just can't pull the trigger anymore and the legs and stamina is just gone. This is not the state of Cotto atm. He looked fit, strong, and could throw against Foreman. Not a shot fighter to me. You can call Cotto other things but I don't think he is shot.

[murmagic]

"shot" is a word over used in boxing today to call cotto shot after the performance last night is just ******, castillo is shot, RRJ is shot not cotto

[boxingsmash69]

Clottey stated in an interview that he DID feel Cotto's shots. He said it's why he didn't want to open up too much, he didn't want to get countered back.