Mayweather has trouble with Southpaws ?

[Toy Story 3]

off topic, drake is a ***** and naming yourself after his gay ass album is lame.

lol that's your opinion and I respect it.

That was a good fight and a good shot you posted up. But again, Mayweather won every single round of that fight. I don't see how people talk as if Floyd struggles against southpaws like he almost loses against them.

[chris123jack]

This whole adjustments **** is overrated, if you open a door that shoots scorching flames, close it and try another door.
Most elite know how to adjust, as they are clear headed in the ring, not panicking or fighting on instincts(which does happen if your fatigued, learned that first hand).
Is it really that amazing? It's a trail and error/adaption that is common between every human.

yo triga, i have been trying to express your points long time ago. these dude think these are magical adjustments only floyd can do. may got skills, but it's just over hyped. he's probably not even aware of the things he is doing differently.

The main problem that I think it is that people train to fight mayweather a certain way and once floyd comes out fighting differently it throws them off their game. Floyd trains just to train. I will bet atleast 95% if not 100% of the adjustments that he makes he knows what he is doing. And nobody can make me believe differently, you dont just accidentally come up with an adjustment that makes zab stop throwing and start covering up, you dont just accidentally come up with an adjustment that makes shane stop throwing his jab and starting trying to tie up every time their close or make oscar dela hoya stop throwing his jab. floyd makes adjustments that negate his opponents weapons which naturally decrease your workrate because you cant throw the punches you usually throw.

If his skills are so overhyped you name me another guy that 100% of the time is able to make the right adjustments to get the win. Then pull out the guy that has taken the least amount of punishment, that has the highest connect percentage, that consistently lowers his opponents work rate while also throwing less punches than the average of the division but landing a higher percentage than the average.

****, you can even take off the fact that they need to be undefeated and you will still only find one person that fits this criteria.


UPDATE:
From reading some of the new post while typing this I need to post the definition of adjustment:
1. To change so as to match or fit; cause to correspond.
2. To bring into proper relationship.
3. To adapt or conform, as to new conditions.
4. To bring the components of into a more effective or efficient calibration or state: adjust the timing of a car's engine.

Now according to the definition of adjustment if floyd starts out fighting one way then tweaks or changes his style during the fight to make it more effective and efficient its called adjusting. Now dont get mad at me get mad at Webster's, get mad at the sports writers that say floyd's skills are better, get mad at the boxing legends that say they havent seen anybody with skills like floyd's, get mad at the commentators that say it, get mad at floyd for saying it and for using them in the ring...**** get mad at god for giving him the abilities.

[chris123jack]

“Manny is not afraid to risk it all to win, and that’s a fine line a lot of people afraid to walk that line, where they try to be so clean and they’re afraid to even take a chance, and they never take a chance and they don’t get the dramatic finishes or win,” said [Rashad] Evans on what makes Pacquiao so great.

I like this quote about pacquiao but everybody doesnt have to take risk to win or to be considered great. I can name somebody that takes trash, show boats in the ring, and rarely takes risk and that is 10x better than rashad...no not floyd, Anderson Silva. I'm not saying thats how you think but some people do, so I just wanted to put that out there.

[F l i c k e r]

This whole adjustments **** is overrated, if you open a door that shoots scorching flames, close it and try another door.
Most elite know how to adjust, as they are clear headed in the ring, not panicking or fighting on instincts(which does happen if your fatigued, learned that first hand).
Is it really that amazing? It's a trail and error/adaption that is common between every human.

Not true.

Berto can't adjust for ****. He just keeps trying the same bully tactic + haymakers.

Pacquiao has barely began to learn how to adjust. After how many years and fights?

Cotto can't adjust for **** unless his opponent is lethargic.

Mosley can't adjust either, hasn't been able to do so since Forrest beat his ass.

Clottey...... don't make me laugh.

Paul Williams, more like keep throwing punches until something works. And I like this dude, sorry burner but it's true.

Antonio Margarito.. no comment.

Kelly Pavlik... no comment

Need I go on?

[V.WEBB]

Bro I agree 100% and I could break it down further but I will just let these guys believe no one will outsmart or get past Floyd's adjustments.

Well break it down. You keep saying this. Just talk boxing.

[chris123jack]

indeed. i can't dispute that theory. now where was mosley's adjustment to something so simple?

i suppose, after trying to set up the overhand right for a repeat, mosley thought "i can't get it in the same way due to him rolling his shoulder and leaning down. either i'm completely missing it or it's grazing off his shoulder. i've watched the tapes and this is no different than what he's been using to take away the right hand his whole career."

stepping to his left and looping a hard left hook would have continued the pressure and gave him a new angle of attack. i'm an amatuer that got that idea from watching the roy jones jr./ james toney fight years ago. like most things in boxing, not hard to think about or execute, even if it doesn't work to perfection. i'm not ashamed to say that i believe there was something there that i was completely missing as to why that wasn't a good adjustment.

more importantly, maybe i'm looking at it from the wrong perspective. it seems to get progressively worse for many fighters as the fight goes on. most adjustments/ neutralizations are simple, i completely agree with that, can you point out similar adjustments his opponents have made in the last...seven years that weren't simply "fight harder"?

When floyd does the shoulder roll he keeps his left arm across his body and his right arm up to protect his head and if shane tried the step to left and throw a left hook it would have been blocked and left him open for a straight right counter. He tried to throw the hook and all floyd would do was step back out of range when he loaded up and then step into the pocket in his philly shell when he threw it. So shane's distance was off and his arms were hitting floyd's gloves.

[chris123jack]

here....


There was nothin Mosley could do, he was too tight, too tired and too slow.
Everytime he'd try to let his hands go he'd get countered in a flash.
**** makes you think twice, Floyd didn't make any adjustments though technically picking it up is adjusting, as was choosing to sometimes jump back instead of standing his ground etc but then so is mosley choosing to clinch every two seconds instead of punching his way in but lets not get into that, Floyd made no "major" adjustments in that fight.
Mosley just folded.

For instance, in round 2, when Mosley hurt floyd, he was actually holding, he went into a clinch with floyd while floyd was walking towards him on wobbly legs, why would someone do that against a hurt fighter? why not just get the fighter out of there? It was funny cuz floyd was actually trying to pull Mosley off of him. Not to take any credit from Floyd, but Mosley was obviously overtrained in that fight.

anyway, i know first hand, getting tired during regular exercises is nothin compared to getting tired in a boxing ring, i remember fighting this southpaw, i did alright in the first round landing some good lead right hands right down the pipe being real aware, setting him up, but next round....*****, i was tired, and this guy turning to a counterpuncher didn't help, i felt slow, i wasn't confident i could get any more punches in after half of the round went by, my workrate was cut and i remember some sequences where we'd just stare at each other for ages, and me thinking "gotta attack him now" but i didn't do it, i folded and would just throw the occassional jabs that were'nt close to hitting him never having any intention on hitting the target, well i did try maybe one or two more rights, i remember throwing one that spun me around and nearly hit the ref

after the fight i still had plenty of energy though, strangely, in the ring i remember being exhuasted. Lol, i think i ran out of brain power now that i think of it, most of the last round is a blurr to me, i definitely got my ass kicked though.

Anyway my point is, when your getting countered you throw less, that's why you would'nt be as active against Roy Jones, that's why you would'nt be as active against Joe Calzaghe(esspecially considering he's throwing 1000 punches, kind of taking up your time to throw if your one of those guys that don't like a brawl)
What the counterpuncher does is bring your output to his level, when you throw he throws, leaves you wanting to pick your shots, cuz damn, your getting caught cleanly and are losing on the cards.
And you gotta take into a count the fact that Floyd Mayweather Jr is a defensive boxer and is hard to hit obviously plays a part into the workrate of his opponents, when most guys start throwing Floyd has leaped half way across the ring short-circuiting their combo
Not like many of those punches be hitting him to begin with right?
what are the odds? and if one gets through ok, gettin a little lazy just stay sharp.

I agree with most of this post I just think what you think is a major adjustment is different from what someone else thinks is a major adjustment. I still see some of the things as a major adjustment even though now they are apart of his arsenal. I think you feel that since he does it so often its not a major adjustment.

How you felt in the ring is how most of floyd's opponents felt, the person you was fighting turned it into more of a mental battle than a physical battle. You said you was tired but then you said that you ran out of brain power not any of your physical abilities. You were discouraged from throwing and mentally beat because if you are tired you will be tired after the fight also. And from your testimony of how you ran out of brain power shows how great floyd is, since he does this to such elite opposition.

[purecyse]

so, TriGaFinGa, instead of extraordinary adjustments, you would prefer to call it solid fundamentals, reflexes and boxing intelligence/ talent?

[F l i c k e r]

I'd call it common sense to be honest, but i dunno, maybe that's just because i've been boxing for some time now.

To you it's common sense, to the person in the ring, it's different. Some people have to ability to adjust, some don't. You said that most of the elite fighters have the ability to adjust, I gave you a list of so called elite fighters that don't adjust.

Not everyone can adjust. To adjust you have to be able to change tempo, time your opponent, or completely change tactics. If your only good at one thing or aren't an all round boxer, guess what that means? Your not gonna adjust in a fight, why? You don't have the ability to do so.

Just like you pointed out, slow footwork(Pavlik). Then sometimes it's other things like unwillingness to adjust, like Margarito or Paul Williams. For instance, Paul could have adjusted to Martinez and used his height to his advantage, instead he didn't and continued to hunch over and get tagged by Martinez. Albeit he won, he did not adjust like he could have to make it a much easier night for him.

Some people have the ability to adjust, change tactics, time opponents, change styles, whatever you want to call it and some people don't. It's not just a given bro. Not everyone can do it.

[purecyse]

I'd call it common sense to be honest, but i dunno, maybe that's just because i've been boxing for some time now.

LoL! you're a tough critic, TriGa. your experience may also be widening our viewpoints but i can't call it common sense when we both agree that not everyone has the tools to do these "common" things he's doing.

someone once asked barry sanders what does he see that he's able to handle defenses like he does and he said he sees the same holes everyone else sees, just he can get to them. his running was extraordinary to me.

the fact that floyd sees the adjustments that need to be made and, more often than not, executes them perfectly is something else i find extraordinary.