Is Ali a bit overrated ?

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YOUR LOGIC IS SO FLAWED AND DISHONEST IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY

Get used to it. In a few years this will be the prevalent opinion of fans and experts. The momentum is clearly against Ali because of my posting and that of others. You can not argue against facts (e.g. the picture of tiny Ali above or Frazier being a half-blind dwarf).

Byrd is a real featherfisted man
Frazier is a beast, his left hook could KO ANYONE

Anyone? Yeah, except in 50% of the heavyweight fights (200+) that he fought.

And How CLAYtons conveniently NEVER MENTION Frazier's performance against Foreman, the only guy who is somewhat comparable (although worse) than Wlad or Vitali.

funny how you avoided to quote me when I said Wlad and Vitali usually outweighs their opponents by 25 lbs or more, yet you criticise Ali for outweighing Patterson or Quarry by 15-20 lbs
that is pretty irrationnal and ******, you criticise your own idols actually

What? I never claimed anything like that. Moreover this is another nonsense that I answered already at

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5549480#post5549480

It's the same (long-disproven) lame arguments that CLAYtons invent.

It's Foreman and Ali who outweighed their opponents, not Wlad.

All the arguments that CLAYtons have fall apart one after the other. The only thing that stays is Ali's loud mouth. I give him that.

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And your reading comprehension is poor. Butterbean couldn't have become linear champion since Holmes lost that title to Spinks. But had he lost to Butterbean, let's say prior to fighting Spinks, then yes, Butterbean would have been linear champion.

EVERYBODY should read what tourlou82 has just written.

This is utter nonsense. You don't get linear champ by beating a titleless former champ.

And don't bother posting your links, I won't read anymore nonsense

I post FACTS. You post some insults and fantasy definitions.

[Vadrigar.]

EVERYBODY should read what tourlou82 has just written.

This is utter nonsense. You don't get linear champ by beating a titleless former champ.


I post FACTS. You post some insults and fantasy definitions.

I read what he wrote. It is an indisputable fact. Muhammad ALi is the three time lineal heavyweight champion of the world.

You don't post facts, you post lies and silly definitions.

[knn]

You don't post facts, you post lies and silly definitions.

Unfortunately that "lies" are called FACTs and the silly definitions (e.g. heavyweight starts at 200) are the official regulations.

[Vadrigar.]

Unfortunately that "lies" are called FACTs and the silly definitions (e.g. heavyweight starts at 200) are the official regulations.

No. That weight range was classified as the heavyweight division.

[knn]

No. That weight range was classified as the heavyweight division.

You are correct. It _WAS_ called "heavyweight" once.



You just need to look at the picture of tiny Ali above to see why it _IS NOT CALLED_ heavyweight anymore.

Ali's real heavyweight record (= both fighters 200+ = a record that you can compare to Wlad Klitschko) is 28-4.

And just look at another "heavyweight": Joe Louis



EVERYONE except CLAYtons knows that these are not heavyweights in our current definition.

EVERYONE except CLAYtons knows that the wins (against opponents who also looked like that) are irrelevant compared to modern opponents.

Can you believe Cassius Cruiser (from the picture above) OUTWEIGHED 60% of his opponents? What a crappy era.

[Vadrigar.]

You are correct. It _WAS_ called "heavyweight" once.



You just need to look at the picture of tiny Ali above to see why it _IS NOT CALLED_ heavyweight anymore.

Ali's real heavyweight record (= both fighters 200+ = a record that you can compare to Wlad Klitschko) is 28-4.

And just look at another "heavyweight": Joe Louis



EVERYONE except CLAYtons knows that these are not heavyweights in our current definitions.

sorry, but your going against the facts here. Everone reguards that weight range as the heavyweight dividision. ALL fighters had to FOLLOW these weight limits.

Our current definitions have no authority over the previous ones.

Muhammad ALi has a HEAVYWEIGHT record of:

Total fights 61
Wins 56
Wins by KO 37
Losses 5
Draws 0
No contests 0

[BritishBoxing92]

Ali Aint Overrated.......

[knn]

sorry, but your going against the facts here. Everone reguards that weight range as the heavyweight dividision. ALL fighters had to FOLLOW these weight limits.

You are wrong. NOBODY regards 175+ as the heavyweight division. Don't give me some ancient definitions.

Noone cares that in the medieval ages 150lbs might have been called "heavyweight".

Such past definitions are the only things that CLAYtons cling to.

Everyone has eyes to see and 180 is 180 and 190 is 190. Now and then. No matter what you call it.

[Vadrigar.]

You are wrong. NOBODY regards 175+ as the heavyweight division. Don't give me some ancient definitions.

Noone cares that in the medieval ages 150lbs might have been called "heavyweight".

Such past definitions are the only things that CLAYtons cling to.

Everyone has eyes to see and 180 is 180 and 190 is 190. Now and then. No matter what you call it.

Current definitions have no authority over the previous ones. Even if they do, it dosen't matter because ali was fighting in a totally different era. You can't superimpose your frame of reference onto another era.

His name is Muhammad Ali not cassius clay.




anyone who denies this looks like a heavyweight needs a brain scan. Look how far he towers over the ropes and that is bending down. Imagine if he stood straight.