Is Ali a bit overrated ?

[cooper5]

Ali is and will always be an all time great. His amazing accomplishments came during a time when there was but one title and one champion. His title was not deluted by 2-3 other champions claiming the title as well.

[Tiozzo]

Young was not a robbery. Ali won that fight in my opinion. Shavers admitted that ali beat him, Ali clearly beat Norton the 2nd and 3rd time.

Ali is not just a great fighter, he is the greatest of all time. It is impossible to overrate him.

I am quite annoyed when you question Ali's record, i laughed when you compared it to holyfield. That alone is ridiculous.

By consensus Muhammad ail is the greatest of all time. He may have the greatest resume of all time, look:

Opponent Type Rd., Time Date Location Notes
Loss Trevor Berbick Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 1981-12-11 Nassau, Ba*****
Loss Larry Holmes TKO 10 (15) 1980-10-02 Las Vegas, NV Match was for WBC Heavyweight title
Win Leon Spinks Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1978-09-15 New Orleans, LA Won WBA Heavyweight title;
Vacated title on 1979-09-06
Loss Leon Spinks Decision (split) 15 (15) 1978-02-15 Las Vegas, NV Lost WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Earnie Shavers Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1977-09-29 New York City, NY Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Alfredo Evangelista Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1977-05-16 Landover, MD Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Ken Norton Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1976-09-28 The Bronx, New York Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Richard Dunn TKO 5 (15) 1976-05-24 Munich, Germany Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Jimmy Young Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1976-04-30 Landover, MD Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Jean-Pierre Coopman KO 5 (15) 1976-02-20 San Juan, Puerto Rico Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Joe Frazier TKO 14 (15), 0:59 1975-10-01 Quezon City, Philippines "The Thrilla in Manila";
Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Joe Bugner Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1975-06-30 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Ron Lyle TKO 11 (15) 1975-05-16 Las Vegas, NV Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Chuck Wepner TKO 15 (15), 2:41 1975-03-24 Richfield, OH Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win George Foreman KO 8 (15), 2:58 1974-10-30 Kinshasa, Zaire "The Rumble in the Jungle";
Won WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Joe Frazier Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 1974-01-28 New York City, NY Retained NABF Heavyweight title;
Vacated title later in 1974
Win Rudi Lubbers Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 1973-10-20 Jakarta, Indonesia
Win Ken Norton Decision (split) 12 (12) 1973-09-10 Inglewood, CA Won NABF Heavyweight title
Loss Ken Norton Decision (split) 12 (12) 1973-03-31 San Diego, CA Lost NABF Heavyweight title
Win Joe Bugner Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 1973-02-14 Las Vegas, NV
Win Bob Foster KO 7 (12) 1972-11-21 Stateline, NV Retained NABF Heavyweight title
Win Floyd Patterson TKO 7 (12) 1972-09-20 New York City, NY Retained NABF Heavyweight title
Win Alvin Lewis TKO 11 (12), 1:15 1972-07-19 Dublin, Ireland
Win Jerry Quarry TKO 7 (12), 0:19 1972-06-27 Las Vegas, NV Retained NABF Heavyweight title
Win George Chuvalo Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 1972-05-01 Vancouver, Canada Retained NABF Heavyweight title
Win Mac Foster Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1972-04-01 Tokyo, Japan
Win Jürgen Blin KO 7 (12), 2:12 1971-12-26 Zurich, Switzerland
Win Buster Mathis Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 1971-11-17 Houston, TX Retained NABF Heavyweight title
Win Jimmy Ellis TKO 12 (12), 2:10 1971-07-26 Houston, TX Won vacant NABF Heavyweight title
Loss Joe Frazier Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1971-03-08 New York City, NY "The Fight of the Century";
Match was for WBA/WBC Heavyweight
titles
Win Oscar Bonavena TKO 15 (15), 2:03 1970-12-07 New York City, NY Won NABF Heavyweight title;
Vacated title in 1971
Win Jerry Quarry TKO 3 (15) 1970-10-26 Atlanta, GA
Win Zora Folley KO 7 (15), 1:48 1967-03-22 New York City, NY Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles;
Stripped of titles on 1967-04-28
Win Ernie Terrell Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1967-02-06 Houston, TX Retained WBC Heavyweight title,
Won WBA Heavyweight title
Win Cleveland Williams TKO 3 (15) 1966-11-14 Houston, TX Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Karl Mildenberger TKO 12 (15) 1966-09-10 Frankfurt, Germany Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Brian London KO 3 (15) 1966-08-06 London England Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Henry Cooper TKO 6 (15), 1:38 1966-05-21 London, England Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win George Chuvalo Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1966-03-29 Toronto, Canada Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Floyd Patterson TKO 12 (15), 2:18 1965-11-22 Las Vegas, NV Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Sonny Liston KO 1 (15), 2:12 1965-05-25 Lewiston, ME Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Sonny Liston TKO 7 (15) 1964-02-25 Miami Beach, FL Won WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles;
Stripped of WBA title on 1964-06-19
Win Henry Cooper TKO 5 (10), 2:15 1963-06-18 London, England
Win Doug Jones Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 1963-03-13 New York City, NY
Win Charley Powell KO 3, 2:04 1963-01-24 Pittsburgh, PA
Win Archie Moore TKO 4 (10), 1:35 1962-11-15 Los Angeles, CA
Win Alejandro Lavorante KO 5 (10), 1:48 1962-07-20 Los Angeles, CA
Win Billy Daniels TKO 7 (10), 2:21 1962-05-19 Los Angeles, CA
Win George Logan TKO 4 (10), 1:34 1962-04-23 New York City, NY
Win Don Warner TKO 4, 0:34 1962-03-28 Miami Beach, FL
Win Sonny Banks TKO 4 (10), 0:26 1962-02-10 New York City, NY
Win Willi Besmanoff TKO 7 (10), 1:55 1961-11-29 Louisville, KY
Win Alex Miteff TKO 6 (10), 1:45 1961-10-07 Louisville, KY
Win Alonzo Johnson Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 1961-07-22 Louisville, KY
Win Duke Sabedong Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 1961-06-26 Las Vegas, NV
Win LaMar Clark KO 2 (10), 1:27 1961-04-19 Louisville, KY
Win Donnie Fleeman TKO 7 (8) 1961-02-21 Miami Beach, FL
Win Jimmy Robinson KO 1 (8), 1:34 1961-02-07 Miami Beach, FL
Win Tony Esperti TKO 3 (8), 1:30 1961-01-17 Miami Beach, FL
Win Herb Siler KO 4 (8) 1960-12-27 Miami Beach, FL
Win Tunney Hunsaker Decision (unanimous) 6 (6) 1960-10-29 Louisville, KY

Posting his whole detailed record is silly.
It is for everyone to see on Boxrec.

[Tiozzo]

Ali is and will always be an all time great. His amazing accomplishments came during a time when there was but one title and one champion. His title was not deluted by 2-3 other champions claiming the title as well.

good point

[Vadrigar.]

Posting his whole detailed record is silly.
It is for everyone to see on Boxrec.

It's for everyone to see over here.

[Tiozzo]

It's for everyone to see over here.

ok then have it your way if that makes you happy

[Vadrigar.]

ok then have it your way if that makes you happy

you have a strange sense of humour.

[bojangles1987]

So Ali getting the nod in a couple close fights he arguably lost, when he was no longer anywhere near his best, erases his domination of the best era of heavyweights ever?

Because that is why he is considered as highly as he is. He beat everyone.

[lfc19titles]

No, during his early years he dominated every heavyweight while still not at his best. he became the champion and looked unstoppable. he lost his prime years but then came back to beat the best to become a champ again. Not many guys can do that, what it showed was an 85 percent ALI on his second run was good enough to beat the likes of fraizer and foreman who were in their prime at the time


that alone for me showed his greatness, I dont even care about the third run, the first 2 are enough.

[omarinbox]

He was lucky to beat Frazier in Manila but his greatness shines in Zaire.

He treated Joe Frazier bad, called him an Uncle Tom etc, straight after Joe had been lending him money. I think thats bad. I think Frazier was the better fighter of their era and deserves recognition for fighting with a handicap.

He wasn't as smart or as much of a showman as Ali so Ali wins in terms of draw and smarts. So yeah Ali is generally over-rated as he is the bigger draw in terms of showmanship and intelligence. he bought brains to boxing.

[Vadrigar.]

He was lucky to beat Frazier in Manila but his greatness shines in Zaire.

He treated Joe Frazier bad, called him an Uncle Tom etc, straight after Joe had been lending him money. I think thats bad. I think Frazier was the better fighter of their era and deserves recognition for fighting with a handicap.

He wasn't as smart or as much of a showman as Ali so Ali wins in terms of draw and smarts. So yeah Ali is generally over-rated as he is the bigger draw in terms of showmanship and intelligence. he bought brains to boxing.

Frazier definaetly was not the better fighter because he lost to Ali twice.

Being a bigger draw does not make you overrated. His resume speaks for it self.

How can you say he was "lucky" to beat frazier in manilla. Ali fought his heart out for 14 rounds. Just compare the state of fraziers face and ali's face after the fight and you will see.