Mayweather vs mosely, you guys didnt even notice

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Oscar had some success with the jab due to his reach and height, Pac doesn't have that against Floyd and him pumping a strong jab will require him to get closer and be open for the counters IMO

[cixthree]

Yea, you're right about the high guard, but he still sort of rolls whilst holding the guard.
The reason i dont think the jab will be important in this fight is because it never really is between an orthodox fighter and a southpaw.
What Manny needs is the looping right hook to direct floyd to a meeting with his straight left which will be there all night for manny if he can stay inside Floyds left foot.

Well as you know, Floyds the king at adjusting. Maybe the right and left land early, but once he adjusts and takes it away then what?
If Manny can't get Floyd out by round 4, its a wrap. Itl just be another clinic.

[LeeBaby]

You're going to talk about Jones? Jones is my #1 favorite fighter but even Reed will tell you he's the last guy you want to mimic. Jones was all mostly handspeed and reflexes/foootwork. You can't bring up Jones in a jab conversation man lol.

How do you think Wlad dominates his opponents? Using footwork? You need a good jab to beat Floyd. Pac doesn't have that, Mosley didn't have it, Hatton didn't have it, DLH had it and won in one of the judges' scorecards. One of the only scorecards Floyd ever lost as a pro, coincidentally came against a guy with a good jab?

As a Floyd fan I agree some what. I think any fighter lacking a nice SNAPPING JAB isn't a complete fighter. Now rather it takes a jab to beat FLoyd is opinion. Because in my opinion you can have a good jab but once floyd figures u out its a wrap. BUt in the case of Oscar vs Mayweather i dont think it was the jab that won him the score card. I think it was just his name because with or without the jab Oscar didnt land any clean punches. Plus floyd fought him at LMW a weight he had never fought at. Oscars comfortable weight. Had the fight been at 147 Floyd would've murdered oscar and his jab. But Pac is too short, less reach, off balance, no defense, weak body (been ko twice with body shots) poor foot movement. I'd say manny is lacking more then a jab!

[cixthree]

Plus the jab is not even a factor in a southpaw fight. Its a game of hooks and straights, the jab plays a minor part of this game. If the jab is used its only to check range not as a wepon, or move you or the guy into position for a real combo or shot.

IMO, Manny has only got a 4 round punchers chance at beating Floyd

[ATG Fighter]

Pacquiao doesn't have the reach like Oscar so the jab is not what he needs against Floyd. Pacquiao has something else- foot speed, head movement, and shots from angles. These are his strengths and he uses them well. And Floyd is going to be up against a guy that has more handspeed than him. Judah has troubled him with handspeed before.

[sigrab jr]

Your lack of comprehension is staggering.
When did i say i want to mimic Jones?
When has Wlad fought someone that utilizes the shoulder roll?

Look. All im sayin is pac has very fast feet, and if your moving while throwing your punches that's a good way of neutralizing the counter rights those shoulder rollers love to use, it's also a good way to catch them as they turn away.
Go watch Jones-Toney again, it's all right there, when Toney leans away Jones follows his head and toney is forced to lean further leaving him unbalanced as Jones flurries away.

You went from mentioning how Jones is so good without a jab against Toney to comparing Pacquiao to Jones. You fail to realize that Pacquiao gets hit at will and Jones rarely got grazed i nhis prime. From what I am understanding you're saying that Jones=Pacquiao and Toney=Mayweather? LOL. 3 completely different styles dude.

Pacquiao - Southpaw
Jones - Unorthodox
Mayweather - Orthodox

Jones vs Toney was unorthodox vs orthodox
Mayweather vs Pacquiao will be southpaw vs orthodox

You can't compare these fights unless they are the exact same styles. If you're going to base your Mayweather-Pacquiao prediction on what happened in Jones-Toney's fight...good luck with that man.

[TriggerItch]

You went from mentioning how Jones is so good without a jab against Toney to comparing Pacquiao to Jones. You fail to realize that Pacquiao gets hit at will and Jones rarely got grazed i nhis prime. From what I am understanding you're saying that Jones=Pacquiao and Toney=Mayweather? LOL. 3 completely different styles dude.

Pacquiao - Southpaw
Jones - Unorthodox
Mayweather - Orthodox

Jones vs Toney was unorthodox vs orthodox
Mayweather vs Pacquiao will be southpaw vs orthodox

You can't compare these fights unless they are the exact same styles. If you're going to base your Mayweather-Pacquiao prediction on what happened in Jones-Toney's fight...good luck with that man.

my god you are ****** beyond belief

[Destroyercuda]

maweather cant deal with a jab you feckin idiot.

[Vito Corleone]

Plus the jab is not even a factor in a southpaw fight. Its a game of hooks and straights, the jab plays a minor part of this game. If the jab is used its only to check range not as a wepon, or move you or the guy into position for a real combo or shot.

IMO, Manny has only got a 4 round punchers chance at beating Floyd

And other than Hatton, who has Pac gotten out early?

Floyd will be cautious early, then shut that bull**** down.

[norrin]

I don't think it it is the jab or necessarily foot speed. I think the key is having a good boxing IQ to offset Mayweather's IQ. A lot of people think if they win a couple of rounds against Mayweather then that is the blueprint to beat him but it's not. The biggest key is being able to adjust and having good set of multiple skills. I don't think the DLH fight was as close as the score read but that is just my opinion.