Why Aren't The Klitschko Brothers On The Ring's Pound For Pound List?

[Curry Storm]

The P4P list is not how dominate someone is in their division- if this was the case, they'd be up there. It's a list where you take one guy and compare him to another as if the two were the same exact size.

For example, if Sugar Shane Mosley was the same exact size as Vitali, or if Vitali was the same size as Mosley, who would win? I just don't see too many cases where, if the Klitschokos were the same size as any of the opponents on the P4P list, that they'd be able to win. Take the Mosley comparison: even the 38 year old Mosley that just fought would probably still out-punch Vitali, could handle Vitali's power (since they're at the same weight), or at the very least have more movement than Vitali to be able to move away from VK's power punches.

This philosophy does limit the number of heavyweights that will appear on P4P lists because, let's face it, heavies just don't have the moment and punch output that smaller guys have. It's easy to picture a smaller guy as being a bigger version of himself, but it's a lot harder to picture how a big fighter would fight as a smaller version of himself.

[The Negro]

Neither of them are champions btw,

The "bible of boxing" regards Wladimir Klitschko as the heavyweight champion.

and you don't have to be a champion to be on the p4p list. just a point.

I never meniioned that, you did, but I can see how someone like you might think that.

They're not on the list cause someone/people think there's better p4p talent out there, simple enough.

I would not be surprised if there's underlying reasons why they are not making these lists, such as where they are from, or the collor of their skin.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Maybe because the writers feel there are better and more worthy fighters.

No?

[pelonxsoldier28]

i put "bums" as more of a sarcastic thing............................

1. are they bums,

2. are the klitschkos just better then everyone else, they make them look like bums.....

i go with option 2

Really? I've been a fighter/fight fan since 1980 and have never seen the heavyweight div look this horrible. I try not to post bias and to look at every aspect, sorry my conclusion remains the same. None of their fights are PPV's for a reason.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

You just told me P4P Lists dont matter. Then you make a thread asking why the Klits arent on one.

Classic.

lol.

[krispy kreme]

because there supposely fighting "bums" when actually there fighting the best the heavyweight division has to offer, i mean its not there fault that there opponets suck.... you fight who you fight.......... wlad and vitali do just that, fight and defeat there opponets....

Pretty much.

[The Negro]

They should be on it, certainly Wlad. How can Donaire be above him?

Donaire is ranked at #4. Wlad is certainly deserving of a place on the list.

Their #3 was dominated in his last fight, as was their #5, who hadn't fought for well over a year, prior to his last fight.

Guys like Caballero and Wonjongkam are on the list as well.

Here is the current list -

1. Manny Pacquiao

2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

3. Juan Manuel Marquez

4. Nonito Donaire

5. Shane Mosley

6. Chad Dawson

7. Paul Williams

8. Sergio Martinez

9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam

10. Celestino Caballero

[Dick Buffman]

Donaire is ranked at #4. Wlad is certainly deserving of a place on the list.

Their #3 was dominated in his last fight, as was their #5, who hadn't fought for well over a year, prior to his last fight.

Guys like Caballero and Wonjongkam are on the list as well.

Here is the current list -

1. Manny Pacquiao

2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

3. Juan Manuel Marquez

4. Nonito Donaire

5. Shane Mosley

6. Chad Dawson

7. Paul Williams

8. Sergio Martinez

9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam

10. Celestino Caballero

Donaire, Pogsaklek, Dawson and Williams don't even belong on that list.

Dawson's practically retired, Williams just got undressed by Cintron, Donaire is in the same retirement home Dawson is in, and Pongsaklek had a good win but not enough to be on the p4p list.

Cabellero also needs to be higher...

[Mikhnienko]

Simple as that.

Really? I've been a fighter/fight fan since 1980 and have never seen the heavyweight div look this horrible. I try not to post bias and to look at every aspect, sorry my conclusion remains the same. None of their fights are PPV's for a reason.

lol cuz the 80's was so ***ing riddled with talent. You're a hack.

[Dick Buffman]

Simple as that.



lol cuz the 80's was so ***ing riddled with talent. You're a hack.

Co-sign both of these... That guy is a hack.

And boxing is full of racists against white fighters. Especially Europeans. Tunney's critique is 100% spot on about this.