Floyd HAS NEVER BEATEN a BONA FIDE GREAT FIGHTER in their PRIME

[hammerhiem]

Bonefide, Great champions in their prime don't lose, thats why the are considered Bonefide great champions...

Utterly ******ed thread.

[fcastro1]

How was Tszyu a prime fighter? I don't think a prime Tszyu would get stopped by Ricky Hatton and then retire. Before the loss to Hatton, Mayweather called out Tszyu but Tszyu didn't want to fight him.

Cotto isn't an ATG and has never shown any interest in fighting Mayweather. Mayweather called out Mosley many times when Mosley was a little younger, but Mosley didn't want to fight him until recently.

prime tzyu was in and around floyds division when he was p4p 2 in the world. Cotto is a Hof he is just belittled now because an atg in pac defeated him. I dont care about the excuses you floyd fans give on why this or that fight did not get made. The fact is they were never made when it was most relevant, whether its floyd or his oppositions fault.

Just remember what floyd says

He Does Not Fight For Legacy!

[gqjohnb]

prime tzyu was in and around floyds division when he was p4p 2 in the world. Cotto is a Hof he is just belittled now because an atg in pac defeated him. I dont care about the excuses you floyd fans give on why this or that fight did not get made. The fact is they were never made when it was most relevant, whether its floyd or his oppositions fault.

Just remember what floyd says

He Does Not Fight For Legacy!

I'm sorry but I can't call somebody a HOF when he's never taken a championship from a champion... I think the HOF is a few notches above that. Cotto was very good in this WW era but not a HOF. Pac, Mayweather, DLH, Mosley, Hopkins all HOF but not Cotto. Nothing against him he seems like a standup guy but no.

[trk]

prime tzyu was in and around floyds division when he was p4p 2 in the world. Cotto is a Hof he is just belittled now because an atg in pac defeated him. I dont care about the excuses you floyd fans give on why this or that fight did not get made. The fact is they were never made when it was most relevant, whether its floyd or his oppositions fault.

Just remember what floyd says

He Does Not Fight For Legacy!

Tzsyu fought at 140 for his entire career. By the time Mayweather got to 140 he was already an old man on the verge of retirement. If he is considered prime then, Shane and Oscar should also be considered prime when they fought Floyd. After all, Shane was also ranked #3 P4P when he fought Floyd.

[gqjohnb]

Bonefide, Great champions in their prime don't lose, thats why the are considered Bonefide great champions...

Utterly ******ed thread.

I don't think the thread is utterly ******ed but if he wants to say that his thread title doesn't apply to pac I would have to say there are some considerable holes in his argument.

[poeticlsykuac]

I like the fact that the thread starter is saying that Corrales isn't a HOF when he is well on his way to being inducted into the HOF. A serious favoritism, Corrales was a HOF.

And then he talks about how Pacman has fought prime fighters and bla bla bla. BS, Pacman fought all declining fighters. After MAB-EM 1 they both left a lot in that ring. EM even when he was far past his prime out boxed Pacman, imagine what would have happened if they fought when EM had ridiculous power, speed, and wasn't weight drained. Pacman proceeds to fight a MAB that was obviously passed his prime as well, just because you have a few good fights after don't mean you are the same fighter you were in your prime.

What fighter has Pacman fought in his prime? Seriously.

I dislike Mayweather immensely but you guys are trying so hard to discredit a great fighter. Fact is Mayweather is an overall better fighter than whatever fighter you are currently a fan are and that hurts. Hell if him and Pacman fight I would want him to KO Mayweather but it isn't going to happen. Pacman would get punked by him with the check left hook and the ducking straight right that JMM landed all day. Mayweather is a lot better than JMM and I love JMM, one of my favorite fighters.

All you do is try and build your fighter up and tear others down. Mayweather has beaten the number 1 fighter at every division he's been in except 140, KT was a beast and he truly respected him. When has Pacman every beat the number 1 fighter in the division? Yet he always gets credit for being the number one fighter in the division I find that ridiculous. He never beats the number one fighter. I seen a poster write that Pacman was the number one fighter at 140, how can that be when he never fought Bradley the NUMBER ONE fighter at 140. This is ridiculous I am so tired of both sides, Mayweather could have fought some more fighter agreed, but Casa wouldn't fight Mayweather with out some weird stipulation if memory serves me. At 130 and 135 he was the man, the only fight we lost out on was really just SSM and that is because Mosley chased(moved up 2 divisions) DLH for money. Would have been awesome if those guys duked it out at 135.

[hugh grant]

Its true.


Now im not saying floyd is NOT a great fighter, he is but the level of greatness he & his delusional fan base claim IS WAYYYY OFF BASE.

Just look at his resume & ask yourself this question, name me a a fighter you could rightly classify as a GREAT Hall of Fame fighter that floyd beat in his prime?

He doesnt have none.


The 5 best names on Floyd's resume are

1. Shane Mosley - bona fide great fighter. HOF.
2. Juan Manuel Marquez - bona fide great fighter. HOF.
3. Oscar De La HOya - bona fide great fighter. HOF.
4. Diego Corrales - very good fighter. Not a true HOF great fighter.
5. Jose Luis Castillo - very good fighter. Not a true HOF great fighter.

The 3 true great HOF fighters floyd fought were all past prime & one was severely taken advantage of in abomination of a fight.


Floyd doesnt even have a ATG fighter in his resume yet he & his delusional fan base claim G.O.A.T?

After those 5 best names, the next five are

6. Hatton
7. Arturo Gatti
8. Genaro Hernandez
9. Zab Judah
10. Carlos Baldomir


His resume is really thin when you start trying to compare it to other ATG fighters.

None of those fighters i listed above are true bona fide great HALL OF FAME fighters.


Floyd is a great fighter, HOF, with ZERO A+ wins vs ATG fighters. I dont deny floyd's greatness, just the level of greatness he & his delusional fan boy fluffers thinks they deserve.

I agree with this. He has some good names on his CV like JMM. But everything good JMM did wasnt at 147, so its a worthless win for him. Same as fighting hatton. A good name but he had referee help, home advantage, and at 147 again. He got good names but never took any risks.

[gqjohnb]

I agree with this. He has some good names on his CV like JMM. But everything good JMM did wasnt at 147, so its a worthless win for him. Same as fighting hatton. A good name but he had referee help, home advantage, and at 147 again. He got good names but never took any risks.

Never took any risks huh? Coralles undefeated KOing everyone at the time, fighting the champ of the division Genero Hernandez in his 17th fight and second year of his career, Going up to 154 and being outweighed by at least nearly 15 lbs on fight night against DLH coming off a KO win the fact that these alone are considered conservative fights shows how good this guy really is. But thats the story of this guys career though all the scrutiny and accountability with very little of the respect and credit.

[trk]

Good post, Burner. But Floyd needs to beat more people not just Pac to be consider higher ATG than Pacquiao.

Sorry but he is too far behind Pac in that department.

Although in a head to head match I favor Floyd!!

I would say it is the opposite: Floyd is ahead of Manny in terms of resume, and Manny needs the head-to-head win to even things up.

Compare how often they have fought opponents ranked #1 in their division:

Mayweather:
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo (x2)
Carlos Baldomir
Ricky Hatton (lineal/ring champion at 140 but fought at 147)
Juan Manuel Marquez (#1 at 135 but fought at 144lbs catchweight)
Shane Mosley

Pacquiao:
Chatchai Sasakul (debateable; lineal champion, but not recognized and ranked lower by The Ring)
Marco Antonio Barrera (x2)
Juan Manuel Marquez (x2, some think Marquez deserved to win both fights)
Ricky Hatton

So Pacquiao has passed though a lot of divisions, but often did not fight the top opponents in those divisions. Mayweather has been much more consistent in fighting the #1 ranked opponent in every division he has passed through.

[fcastro1]

I would say it is the opposite: Floyd is ahead of Manny in terms of resume, and Manny needs the head-to-head win to even things up.

Compare how often they have fought opponents ranked #1 in their division:

Mayweather:
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo (x2)
Carlos Baldomir
Ricky Hatton (lineal/ring champion at 140 but fought at 147)
Juan Manuel Marquez (#1 at 135 but fought at 144lbs catchweight)
Shane Mosley

Pacquiao:
Chatchai Sasakul (debateable; lineal champion, but not recognized and ranked lower by The Ring)
Marco Antonio Barrera (x2)
Juan Manuel Marquez (x2, some think Marquez deserved to win both fights)
Ricky Hatton

So Pacquiao has passed though a lot of divisions, but often did not fight the top opponents in those divisions. Mayweather has been much more consistent in fighting the #1 ranked opponent in every division he has passed through.

oh my!! Floyd has a better resume!

Btw pac has 4 lineal titles.