Comments Thread For: Klitschko Will Not Accept Povetkin's Drug Test Demands

[Spray_resistant]

There is a wider public than Boxingscene-yes.I'm just wondering where you get the "95%" statistic. Most people will have second thoughts or doubts when it comes to refusal. I'm just saying how it is....

Yes-perhaps their own personal FANS don't care,but neutral people or even skeptics will have concern or doubts....

Well this isn't really about PEDs at all, this is just about Povetkin not really wanting to fight lets not try and turn this into anything more than that.

Did you ever think that the issue of someone not wanting to do this is just as simple as they are preparing for a fight and don't want to be bothered and hassled unexpectedly by some guys wanting blood from them?

Put yourself in the fighters position

[damned1974]

Dude it says your from Sydney so you have no idea of American Law..NONE

Suspects are only imprisoned if there is enough evidense....su****ion is not evidence

and by reading your last comment its obvious you know nothing

I have lived all over and traveled all around.I am an immigrant-don't assume I am only Australian.
I lived many years in America-in fact I was born in California.

Suspects WILL face a form of repurcussion- no matter how limited or large it may be....go ahead and deny it until you are blue in the face with your ideals of "innocent until proven guilty",but many people have spent time for crimes they have NOT commited and many people have suffered in one way or another from their refusal to provide sufficient proof/evidence.Again,it's not my rules-that's just the way it is.

I will ask you again,what good comes out of refusal?

[Ryannn]

Well this isn't really about PEDs at all, this is just about Povetkin not really wanting to fight lets not try and turn this into anything more than that.

Did you ever think that the issue of someone not wanting to do this is just as simple as they are preparing for a fight and don't want to be bothered and hassled unexpectedly by some guys wanting blood from them?

Put yourself in the fighters position

yes, i agree.

refusing a test that is not mandatory doesn't necessary mean the guy is juicing, as what some people here are claiming.

the fact that the test is being imposed by your opponent rather than a governing body is enough reason to turn the tests down.

[BattlingNelson]

What do you mean these times? the last 5 months since the Pac/May thing?

I dont care who it was but anyother fighter in Wlads shoes would also say no

If there was a legit reason and your a top fighter, its ok to ask......contenders dont get demands.....failing a drug test years ago, or being invovled with a PED trafficer or being in the whole BALCO thing makes you su****ious

I disagree. Contenders definetely have a say about this. Why? Because the public, specifically in Germany, wants clean athletes. I'm as sure as can be that the german papers will jump on this story with a sharp pen.

In this day and age athletes pratically has to prove themselves innocent rather than being innocent untill proven guilty. This is simply because we have seen way to many big stars claiming to be clean and subsequently proven to be the biggest frauds.

The thinking is this: You can fool some people all the time and you can fool all people some of the time. But you cannot fool all the people all the time.

[damned1974]

Well this isn't really about PEDs at all, this is just about Povetkin not really wanting to fight lets not try and turn this into anything more than that.

Did you ever think that the issue of someone not wanting to do this is just as simple as they are preparing for a fight and don't want to be bothered and hassled unexpectedly by some guys wanting blood from them?

Put yourself in the fighters position

You could be right....but you could be wrong.Either way, is there really anything positive that comes from refusal?
Personally,it wouldn't surprise me if Povetkin doesn't want to fight Wlad yet-I know Teddy Atlas has essentially expressed that he wants Povetkin to improve before fighting him.

The issue is there is nothing positive that comes out of refusal of drug tests.

[Filipino Floyd]

Alright, Wladimir!! I say that any fighter who asks for these tests should be fined by the commission. It's bull**** when you have a set of rules and regulations and some fighter comes along and decides to make up his own. In my opinion, any fighter who refuses to take the tests and have never been proved guilty of doping in the past, are honorable men. All this talk, that was started by Mayweather, has hurt the sport.

[Russian Crushin]

I have lived all over and traveled all around.I am an immigrant-don't assume I am only Australian.
I lived many years in America-in fact I was born in California.

Suspects WILL face a form of repurcussion- no matter how limited or large it may be....go ahead and deny it until you are blue in the face with your ideals of "innocent until proven guilty",but many people have spent time for crimes they have NOT commited and many people have suffered in one way or another from their refusal to provide sufficient proof/evidence.Again,it's not my rules-that's just the way it is.

I will ask you again,what good comes out of refusal?

They suffered becuase there was enough proof against them, even if that proof was wrong.....they didnt go to jail because they didnt provide sufficeint proof, but becuase there was sufficent proof against them.

Again you cant go to jail if theres not evidence against you

The system works by "innocent until proven guilty", otherwise you would have to proof your innocence instead of the prosecutor trying to prove you guilty

[Spray_resistant]

You could be right....but you could be wrong.Either way, is there really anything positive that comes from refusal?
Personally,it wouldn't surprise me if Povetkin doesn't want to fight Wlad yet-I know Teddy Atlas has essentially expressed that he wants Povetkin to improve before fighting him.

The issue is there is nothing positive that comes out of refusal of drug tests.

I mean I wouldn't have a problem with it if it wasn't an extra thing and commissions ran it so it was expected.

Also need it really be random? I think that is why alot of fighters are hesitant to do it because I know I find it irritating when someone I don't want to see comes randomly to my house wanting something.

Why can't a time be scheduled once a week for blood testing? I doubt you can flush out everything in one week every week for 6-8 or how ever long it is leading up to the fight.

As it is now, OST is just some extra thing to do and why would you want to bother do something extra that you don't need to do?

[BattlingNelson]

I mean I wouldn't have a problem with it if it wasn't an extra thing and commissions ran it so it was expected.

Also need it really be random? I think that is why alot of fighters are hesitant to do it because I know I find it irritating when someone I don't want to see comes randomly to my house wanting something.

Why can't a time be scheduled once a week for blood testing? I doubt you can flush out everything in one week every week for 6-8 or how ever long it is leading up to the fight.

As it is now, OST is just some extra thing to do and why would you want to bother do something extra that you don't need to do?

According to Victor Conte the drugs have left the system within 24 hours. This means that scheduled testing is worthless. It most be random or don't bother.

[Russian Crushin]

I disagree. Contenders definetely have a say about this. Why? Because the public, specifically in Germany, wants clean athletes. I'm as sure as can be that the german papers will jump on this story with a sharp pen.

In this day and age athletes pratically has to prove themselves innocent rather than being innocent untill proven guilty. This is simply because we have seen way to many big stars claiming to be clean and subsequently proven to be the biggest frauds.

The thinking is this: You can fool some people all the time and you can fool all people some of the time. But you cannot fool all the people all the time.

He takes drug tests over there and has never failed one....and people would rather see him fight then him take extra tests.

and no contenders have no say in things like this....its like a minor league baseball player accusing a major league baseball star of roids.....i wonder why none have done that in baseball even with TONS of evidence against them