Comments Thread For: Klitschko Will Not Accept Povetkin's Drug Test Demands

[damned1974]

They suffered becuase there was enough proof against them, even if that proof was wrong.....they didnt go to jail because they didnt provide sufficeint proof, but becuase there was sufficent proof against them.

Again you cant go to jail if theres not evidence against you

The system works by "innocent until proven guilty", otherwise you would have to proof your innocence instead of the prosecutor trying to prove you guilty

You actually CAN go to jail for not providing sufficient evidence-or if the authorities do not believe or buy your story-guilty or not.
You CAN get held in jail for mere su****ions until the system decides to let you free,or if they do not have enough evidence collected to charge you(yet you have still been in the slammer)....does that sound like "innocent until PROVEN guilty" being implemented? Like I say,it is idealistic,but in reality things work differently.

Again,I am asking-is there any good that comes from refusal????

[damned1974]

As I said: In the eyes of the public he has every right to ask for it. Just wait and see. The public will condemn Wlad if he doesn't counter this properly.

The pattern from other sports such as cycling points towards Wlad needing to prove himself innocent. Remember I'm not saying it's right. But I believe that this is what the world has come to.

I couldn't have said it better!

[Russian Crushin]

The history of cycling superstar Jan Ullrich suggests otherwise, but we'll have to wait and see.



But did he say that? Didn't he emphasize that randomness was the critical point?

There were a couple of articles here on BS

but heres one http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-Boxin...andy-from-baby

[Russian Crushin]

You actually CAN go to jail for not providing sufficient evidence-or if the authorities do not believe or buy your story-guilty or not.
You CAN get held in jail for mere su****ions until the system decides to let you free,or if they do not have enough evidence collected to charge you(yet you have still been in the slammer)....does that sound like "innocent until PROVEN guilty" being implemented? Like I say,it is idealistic,but in reality things work differently.

Again,I am asking-is there any good that comes from refusal????

Yea but they cant take you for NO PROOF, just because you "think" some guy comitted murder wont have him put in jail

Now if you start making up lies then yea they could take you to jail, from which you will be realised

[Russian Crushin]

I'm a big klit fan and I wont accuse him of anything, but in this day and age his actions so looks su****ious, but it's still early days.

Im Ukrainian and a big Klit fan too and i could see the boxing politics that Povetkin is employing.

Plus i dont like seeing fighters just accused of crap and forced to prove thier innocence....you dont accuse a figher of cheating with no evidence in my book

[BattlingNelson]

There were a couple of articles here on BS

but heres one http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-Boxin...andy-from-baby

I saw and read them. As I said I believe that randomness is the key word. I'm not aware how random OST exactly is.

[Tweezy316]

Everyone who refuses to do extra drug testing is automatically SUSPECT!! Like it or not. But hey at least he's not suing lol.

[BattlingNelson]

Im Ukrainian and a big Klit fan too and i could see the boxing politics that Povetkin is employing.

Plus i dont like seeing fighters just accused of crap and forced to prove thier innocence....you dont accuse a figher of cheating with no evidence in my book

I don't like it either. But it is so in other sports where it doesn't look pretty either. Surely it comes to boxing as well.

That's why I say that the governing bodies need to step it up and employ a strict random testing scheme for all championship fights starting right NOW. That's the only way to go IMO.

[Russian Crushin]

I saw and read them. As I said I believe that randomness is the key word. I'm not aware how random OST exactly is.

What do you mean? OST is not an agency or group, it just a set of procedures used. Like it has to be random, the fighters must give thier whereabouts at all times...things like that


Its just a style that is considered the best, that Floyd/Mosley used

[damned1974]

Yea but they cant take you for NO PROOF, just because you "think" some guy comitted murder wont have him put in jail

Now if you start making up lies then yea they could take you to jail, from which you will be realised

The police only need a meager "hunch", su****ion and circumstances to hold you in jail.They can only hold you for so long until either enough evidence is gathered,and if they don't have enough-they will choose to have you remain at suspect status and let you out of jail (but not without having investigators place surveillance on you and watch your every move in some cases)...
Innocent until proven guilty is a slogan more than anything else.
You do not have to be proven GUILTY to be arrested and placed in jail temporarily,but you have to prove your innocence to be found NOT GUILTY.Make sense?

Again-what good comes out of this for Wlad,Manny,etc by refusing OST testing?????