Comments Thread For: Froch Balks at Sweden, Will Fight Abraham in America

[STEELHEAD]

Nottingham’s Carl ‘The Cobra’ Froch is still reeling from his narrow points defeat to Mikkel Kessler in Herning, Denmark and has been further demoralised by the uncertainty over his next fight, a third round win-or-bust encounter against Arthur Abraham for passage intro the Super Six final stages. Froch, 32, believes that the fight should take place in Nottingham and assumed that promoter Mick Hennessy had secured this only to find out that the venue arrangements have not been pinned down. [Click Here To Read More]

it has to be america!
no fair shake in hiemyland or sweden!

[catalinul]

There is nothing to support that claim, nice try though.

It was announced by Froch's promoter that Sauerland had agreed for Froch-AA to happen in the UK. Sauerland did not dispute this at all until after Froch-Kessler, at which point Sauerland claimed that they'd only agreed to have the fight in Europe.

If that really was the agreement, it's unlikely that Sauerland would have waited 3 months to say so. Also, why would Hennessey go out of their way to make sure that Sauerland agreed to have the fight in Europe? Clearly, Froch wants to fight in America, not in mainland Europe, so it would make zero sense for Froch to get Sauerland to agree that the fight has to take place in Europe, wouldn't it?

But regardless, here are the facts: Froch is willing to fight in the US, which the only genuinely neutral venue for this particular fight to take place. AA's side are refusing to fight in the US

Froch is willing to take on a fighter who most people expect to KO him. He travelled abroad in his last fight to face someone who was expected to beat him, as he also did in 2009. Despite all of this, he's the one getting all of the criticism because he doesn't want to go and fight a German fighter in Germany. Something tells me that if this was any other super six boxer he wouldn't be getting half as much criticism.

Nice try of what?

I'm just saying what I've read,I don't know the details of this argument but I know tthat the only sure thing was that the contract said the fight will take place in Europe.
Which apparently Froch doesn't agre to if it's not in Notthingham.

[The Negro]

This should all have been agreed when the tournament was first signed. If this fight does not happen, then it will be a complete disaster. I don't think Sweden was ever an option anyway. Aren't there strict rules in Sweden when it comes to boxing? I'm pretty sure that they don't allow twelve 3 minute rounds. Maybe I'm mistaken.

[Clegg]

Nice try of what?

I'm just saying what I've read,I don't know the details of this argument but I know tthat the only sure thing was that the contract said the fight will take place in Europe.
Which apparently Froch doesn't agre to if it's not in Notthingham.

How exactly do you know that 'for sure'? The fact that no evidence has ever been shown in support of that claim, and the fact that the claim wasn't made until recently (whereas Ward having his fights at home was known from the start) doesn't make you question Sauerland's claim at all?

[catalinul]

How exactly do you know that 'for sure'? The fact that no evidence has ever been shown in support of that claim, and the fact that the claim wasn't made until recently (whereas Ward having his fights at home was known from the start) doesn't make you question Sauerland's claim at all?

Every article that mentions Abraham-Froch mentions ''that the only stipulation is that the fight should take place in Europe''.
Weather or not the claim was made ercently or that Sauerland is just trying to get the fight in Germany I don't know.

[BattlingNelson]

There is nothing to support that claim, nice try though.

It was announced by Froch's promoter that Sauerland had agreed for Froch-AA to happen in the UK. Sauerland did not dispute this at all until after Froch-Kessler, at which point Sauerland claimed that they'd only agreed to have the fight in Europe.

If that really was the agreement, it's unlikely that Sauerland would have waited 3 months to say so. Also, why would Hennessey go out of their way to make sure that Sauerland agreed to have the fight in Europe? Clearly, Froch wants to fight in America, not in mainland Europe, so it would make zero sense for Froch to get Sauerland to agree that the fight has to take place in Europe, wouldn't it?

But regardless, here are the facts: Froch is willing to fight in the US, which the only genuinely neutral venue for this particular fight to take place. AA's side are refusing to fight in the US

Froch is willing to take on a fighter who most people expect to KO him. He travelled abroad in his last fight to face someone who was expected to beat him, as he also did in 2009. Despite all of this, he's the one getting all of the criticism because he doesn't want to go and fight a German fighter in Germany. Something tells me that if this was any other super six boxer he wouldn't be getting half as much criticism.

I think I remember it like written by another poster: When the tournament was announced what was made public was that Ward was to have homefield for all his fights and Froch was to fight in Europe against Kessler and AA, meaning that the venue was undecided.

My take is that Froch is playing mindgames here. He is just about to becaome a father so I would think he is looking to stall the negotiations or at least get a larger slice of the pie.

Boxing is a business and staging this fight in the US makes zero sense in an economic perspective. Solely based on money Berlin would probably be far and away the most profitable venue and didn't Froch say that he was willing to travel for one million Ł?

I think Froch should use a little common sense as well. I don't think he has any meaningful evidence to back up his claim of not getting a fair shake in mainland Europe. I mean look at Haye over Valuev. Also I think AA would have a better case for not wanting to go to Nottingham (Dirrell) or the US where german fighters has been shafted on several occasions (Schulz, Sturm).

PS: I still hope for Denmark.

[ragingvic]

There is nothing to support that claim, nice try though.

It was announced by Froch's promoter that Sauerland had agreed for Froch-AA to happen in the UK. Sauerland did not dispute this at all until after Froch-Kessler, at which point Sauerland claimed that they'd only agreed to have the fight in Europe.

If that really was the agreement, it's unlikely that Sauerland would have waited 3 months to say so. Also, why would Hennessey go out of their way to make sure that Sauerland agreed to have the fight in Europe? Clearly, Froch wants to fight in America, not in mainland Europe, so it would make zero sense for Froch to get Sauerland to agree that the fight has to take place in Europe, wouldn't it?

But regardless, here are the facts: Froch is willing to fight in the US, which the only genuinely neutral venue for this particular fight to take place. AA's side are refusing to fight in the US

Froch is willing to take on a fighter who most people expect to KO him. He travelled abroad in his last fight to face someone who was expected to beat him, as he also did in 2009. Despite all of this, he's the one getting all of the criticism because he doesn't want to go and fight a German fighter in Germany. Something tells me that if this was any other super six boxer he wouldn't be getting half as much criticism.

In using your same argument froch/henessy have yet to deny that the contract says anything other then europe on it. In addition the same media who you quote reporting that forch-AA was set to be in nottingham have reported that the contract says europe. In any case both guys have had one home fight and one away so it makes sense to have this one at a neutral site. If sweden or any other country outside of uk and germany would make more money for the fighters then why not? I dont understand froch's idea of getting robbed in a country outside of england, I didnt realize that an Armenian immigrant to germany somehow has a home field advantage on the entire european contient. BTW I would love it if they could bring it to the US so I could go, but if its anywhere near CA, NV or NY froch is out of luck because i gurantee at least a 85% armenian attendence.

[BritishBoxing92]

america eh? dosnt really matter where they fight..froch will hopefully lose to arthur

[Clegg]

Every article that mentions Abraham-Froch mentions ''that the only stipulation is that the fight should take place in Europe''.
Weather or not the claim was made ercently or that Sauerland is just trying to get the fight in Germany I don't know.

So really you don't know for sure that it was in the contract then?

Sauerland have claimed that there was a verbal agreement for it to take place in Europe. This claim was made after Froch's fight with Kessler.

Feel free to link to any articles claiming that the agreement was made in 2009, or any articles about the agreement that were written in 2009. I doubt you'll find any because I followed a hell of a lot of Super Six coverage and not once did I see Sauerland make these claims until recently.

Sauerland seem dishonest to me. I'm not surprised that there hasn't been much progress in Froch-Abraham negotiations, Sauerland seem to be devoting all of their time to having Haye mess around and then duck Wlad while organising press conferences for Povetkin to make a list of demands for a fight with Wlad that we all know he's not willing to take.

[catalinul]

So really you don't know for sure that it was in the contract then?

Sauerland have claimed that there was a verbal agreement for it to take place in Europe. This claim was made after Froch's fight with Kessler.

Feel free to link to any articles claiming that the agreement was made in 2009, or any articles about the agreement that were written in 2009. I doubt you'll find any because I followed a hell of a lot of Super Six coverage and not once did I see Sauerland make these claims until recently.

Sauerland seem dishonest to me. I'm not surprised that there hasn't been much progress in Froch-Abraham negotiations, Sauerland seem to be devoting all of their time to having Haye mess around and then duck Wlad while organising press conferences for Povetkin to make a list of demands for a fight with Wlad that we all know he's not willing to take.

I don't know if any article in 2009 saying this but there are plenty from 2010 saying this.
The reason probably because it was never really talked about till now,while the claim might have been made now I'm pretty sure the stipulation of the fight being in Europe was made from the beggining.
Weather or not Sauerland is dishonest Froch not accepting to fight in Europe is him not respoecting his contract.
Obvioulsy a neutral site would be the best if not go to Sweden,Switzerland or Iceland for all I care.