Why didnt Floyd ever demand OST until he was faced with Pacquaio?

[Reloaded]

Because Fraud can't fathom the idea of stepping in the ring with a true legend. The man that shows you how it's done. He's still in shock and wondering how the so called small guy dared to face Cotto and Clottey at the upperweights. 2 opponents in which Fraud would have had NOTHING to do with. Lol. Manny's the man!

Then why did Pac say no fight and walk away , Pac ducked the fight the moment he said no ,,, is that hard to understand , the guy saying NO dont want the fight , lol , why are Pac fans such a bunch of feeble minded people .

[Vasyl’s dad]

Floyd had 39 fights before he retired, and never once did he ask for OST from any potential oppenent. After he retired and Paq destroyed DLH and Hatton with much greater ease than Floyd had, there started to be talk of Floyd coming out of retirement to fight Paq. Instead, Floyd fought an undersized and overmatched JMM, and did not ask for OST. After Paq wiped the floor with Cotto, the boxing public erupted with excitement for Paq vs Floyd. Suddenly, Floyd wanted to "clean up the sport". Bull****! He was faced with someone who could seriously challenge him and very possibly take his precious 0. Forty fights and the system works fine, now he looks at someone who has done much better against common opponents, doesnt want to fight him, and looks for a way to save face. After Paq rightfully refused to let Floyd make up the rules, and after Shanes fight came up, Floyd had to demand the same OST from Shane or anyone else he fought or it would be obvious that the OST was aimed specifically at Paq, period. And before anyone throws back "Why dont Paq just take the test?", the answer is "why was testing NEVER an issue until Paq was standing in front of Floyd? Whatever the excuse, I just hope the fight gets made. Anyone who thinks Paq walks through Floyd is nuts, and anyone who thinks Paq will be easy work for Floyd is nuts. That is why it has to happen.

[cixthree]

1. Floyd is/was a big Pac fan, been to many of his fights. He has seen Pacs limits and he knows what he can and can't do.

2. Both are pro boxers, they know the sport from the inside, unlike 99.9% of us

3. None of Floyds other 39/40 fighters defied convintional wisdom. Floyd being in the sport, and has seen strange things happen before.

4. Seeing these strange things, knowing that NSAC testing is bogus, knowing Pac, watching Pac from a Pro fighters prospective made him question how legit it was.

5. He knows how Bob Arum operates.

6. Drugs are common in boxing, and I'm sure Floyd has seen the sytem fail more than it worked.

7. Floyd is not "Cleaning up the sport" he's cleaning his fights.. what's wrong with that?

So ask yourself the question "why is it wrong to assure both fighters are clean?" I'm sure we all agree that testing in boxing needs changing, so why would it be wrong to step up and say so?

If that man wants better testing, he has that right, according to the rules he can request better testing. Manny has the rite to refuse also, but refusing comes with question and that's to be expected.
Does Manny care if he's fighting a cheater? I'm sure if Manny were to lose to a fighter, then later he found he'd been cheated he'd be pissed rite? So why not assure a fair/clean fight with better testing?

I'm convinced that the people who are against this better testing are affraid that
1. Maybe it will affect how the fighter performs.
2. He may be using and if its helping him win then **** it.

So I hope I answered your question.

[thatnickuh]

As for your first question, I answered it about twenty posts ago. You have posted on this thread twelve times and the only thing you have proven is that Floyd claims to suspect Paq of PED usage. You claim to suspect that I am not very intelligent, mostly because I dont agree with your logic, and since I dont agree with your logic you resort to personal attacks on my mental capacities. That, my freind, is truly pathetic. I used your own logic against you several times in this discussion, you either ignored it because you had no answer, or you failed to comprehend, but I will not stoop to insulting you personally. One more thing, could you define this word that you used at the start of your post. othero, what the hell is that?

Should I apologize for hurting your feelings or something? Would that make you feel better? I said that you weren't quick sense you let an obvious example of sarcasm fly right over your head. You just spent a whole paragraph crying as if I've done nothing but call you ****** over and over. This is what I mean when I say that you're disingenuous. This is yet another smokecreen to try and divert attention from the subject at hand.


You claim not to agree with my logic, well what part don't you agree with? The idea that Mayweather is asking for stricter testing to fight Pacquiao because he feels the guy may be dirty? Or the idea that people like you are biased and are completely ionco nsistent with the standards that you hold Mayweather and Pacquiao to? You want to make this about everything but what really matters. This isn't about Mayweather's motives, me personally attacking you, or any of that nonsense. This is about Mayweather making a reasonable request and Pacquiao flip flopping contradicting himself left and right in effort to refuse the request. How about you concentrate on that instead of constantly trying diversionary tactics to derail your own discussion?

[NesNY]

Fact: Mayweather Sr. DID NOT want his son fighting Southpaws. Larry Merchant mentions in the fight against Chop Chop that Sr. called from jail to reprimand his son's camp for letting him fight Southpaws.

Observation: He must think that his own mental crutch is his son's mental crutch, a great opponent with the southpaw stance (which it surely isn't, as Floyd Jr. is exceptionally talented). Sr. taught his son everything he knew, including defense, offense, and countering. But with a catch, the greatest advantage of the Shoulder-roll defensive counterpuncher is fighting Orthodox fighters.

Fast forward to present day. There just so happens to a powerful, fearless, speedy, Southpaw fighter named Manny Pacquiao who has taken boxing by storm and accomplished mind-boggling feats. He strikes fear in his opponents, and certainly in his opponent's handlers. Step in Floyd Sr.

Honest truth is....Mayweather Sr. is the one who has accused without proof. Mayweather Sr. is the one who has discussed what he sees as a weakness for his son (fighting southpaws). Sr. is the one who created this entire mess. Sr. is the one who came up with the idea of random blood testing after finding out it was a mental crutch for the opponent...or at least the guy who sparked the debate.

So he figured...trade handicap for handicap and make the fight as difficult to make as possible.

That's the sad truth. Both these guys know their weaknesses, and both these guys refuse to give in. Mayweather doesn't wanna fight such a vicious Southpaw without weakening him (be it mentally or physically). And of course, Manny doesn't wanna risk being weakened against a fighter of Mayweather's exceptional talent. Impasse.

Stop blaming the fighters and start blaming their handlers. I respect both fighters and I'm a fan of both their styles.

[fcastro1]

He hasn't said that he will do them, he's still playing games trying to hold on to some cut-off date. Random testing doesn't include a cut-off date.
You all are hanging on to trash talk to try and deflect from the issue that Pacquiao is ducking random blood testing. Why doesn't the fact that Pacquiao is ducking random blood testing matter to you? I'll tell you what I think, I think that People like you don't care if he's dirty. That's what type of "fans" you people are.

14 days was good enough a few months back and now it isn't. dont you floyd fans have minds of your own.

[thatnickuh]

14 days was good enough a few months back and now it isn't. dont you floyd fans have minds of your own.

The 14 day compromise was revoked a few months back. I'd bet that this fact has been pointed out to you several different times. Why are you so slow?

[Reloaded]

Fact: Mayweather Sr. DID NOT want his son fighting Southpaws. Larry Merchant mentions in the fight against Chop Chop that Sr. called from jail to reprimand his son's camp for letting him fight Southpaws.

Observation: He must think that his own mental crutch is his son's mental crutch, a great opponent with the southpaw stance (which it surely isn't, as Floyd Jr. is exceptionally talented). Sr. taught his son everything he knew, including defense, offense, and countering. But with a catch, the greatest advantage of the Shoulder-roll defensive counterpuncher is fighting Orthodox fighters.

Fast forward to present day. There just so happens to a powerful, fearless, speedy, Southpaw fighter named Manny Pacquiao who has taken boxing by storm and accomplished mind-boggling feats. He strikes fear in his opponents, and certainly in his opponent's handlers. Step in Floyd Sr.

Honest truth is....Mayweather Sr. is the one who has accused without proof. Mayweather Sr. is the one who has discussed what he sees as a weakness for his son (fighting southpaws). Sr. is the one who created this entire mess. Sr. is the one who came up with the idea of random blood testing after finding out it was a mental crutch for the opponent...or at least the guy who sparked the debate.

So he figured...trade handicap for handicap and make the fight as difficult to make as possible. Good strategy, especially if you believe it evens things out.

That's the sad truth. Both these guys know their weaknesses, and both these guys refuse to give in. Mayweather doesn't wanna fight such a vicious Southpaw without weakening him (be it mentally or physically). And of course, Manny doesn't wanna risk being weakened against a fighter of Mayweather's talent. Impasse.

Stop blaming the fighters and start blaming their handlers. I respect both fighters and I'm a huge of both their styles.

And none of what you say is justifiable for Manny to refuse OS random testing , no way Floyd could have known they would refuse this testing , once that happened Manny could very well be using PEDS for all anyone knows , him refusing means its paramount he be tested properly now .

A sportsmans of this stature is unwrittenly obligated to be professional , to be squeeky clean and fair to project this image , he cant refuse this OST testing thats a spit in the eye to all of boxing .

[thatnickuh]

Fact: Mayweather Sr. DID NOT want his son fighting Southpaws. Larry Merchant mentions in the fight against Chop Chop that Sr. called from jail to reprimand his son's camp for letting him fight Southpaws.

Observation: He must think that his own mental crutch is his son's mental crutch, a great opponent with the southpaw stance (which it surely isn't, as Floyd Jr. is exceptionally talented). Sr. taught his son everything he knew, including defense, offense, and countering. But with a catch, the greatest advantage of the Shoulder-roll defensive counterpuncher is fighting Orthodox fighters.

Fast forward to present day. There just so happens to a powerful, fearless, speedy, Southpaw fighter named Manny Pacquiao who has taken boxing by storm and accomplished mind-boggling feats. He strikes fear in his opponents, and certainly in his opponent's handlers. Step in Floyd Sr.

Honest truth is....Mayweather Sr. is the one who has accused without proof. Mayweather Sr. is the one who has discussed what he sees as a weakness for his son (fighting southpaws). Sr. is the one who created this entire mess. Sr. is the one who came up with the idea of random blood testing after finding out it was a mental crutch for the opponent...or at least the guy who sparked the debate.

So he figured...trade handicap for handicap and make the fight as difficult to make as possible.

That's the sad truth. Both these guys know their weaknesses, and both these guys refuse to give in. Mayweather doesn't wanna fight such a vicious Southpaw without weakening him (be it mentally or physically). And of course, Manny doesn't wanna risk being weakened against a fighter of Mayweather's exceptional talent. Impasse.

Stop blaming the fighters and start blaming their handlers. I respect both fighters and I'm a fan of both their styles.

Unless SR. is the one stopping Pacquiao from agreeing to random blood testing, then you wrote all of that nonsense for nothing.

[Whodini]

Is Mayweather Sr made that accusation 1st that Pacquiao taking steriod, Lil Floydie just went along with it, cause he doesn't wanna fight Packy! Straight out *****!