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  • PittyPat
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    My thoughts on Mayweather-Pacquiao

    OK, now would be the time to finally break my silence on what I really think about the making of this fight. Despite what some people say, neither fighter needs the other more. I'm convinced that they both need each other (but not the money) just the same, in order to finish their careers properly. Let me explain...

    If Pacquiao retires without fighting Mayweather, the question will forever follow him - could he have beaten the undefeated former p4p #1 he displaced in the rankings by default? He's done a lot in his career and is a surefire HOF'er, but that question would never leave his side from real boxing fans. The only ones who claim it wouldn't matter are his stans or apologists (i.e. those who count the De La Hoya win as something meaningful).

    Likewise if Mayweather retires without fighting Pacquiao, people will bring up the question to haunt his ass forever - could he have beaten the p4p #1 guy who displaced him whilst he was away? He, too, has achieved good things in his career and is also a shoo-in for HOF status, but no real boxing fan would ever let him forget that he never fought the crazy Pinoy southpaw who tore through all those divisions like a maniac.

    So besides each other, the only legit opponents available to them are the following...


    Berto - the last remaining true WW, and is undefeated. Both beat him easily.

    Martinez - king of LMW and MW, and extremely dangerous because of his physical advantages over both fellas. IMO, the most risky fight there is. I'd love it!

    Williams - a highly active punching machine without (overtly, anyway) much power to worry them. I'm still undecided as to whether he beats either of them.

    Bradley - undefeated co-king of LWW, but without much power to worry them.

    Alexander - undefeated co-king of LWW, with oodles of power and speed.


    Granted, none of them are huge names - but nobody else is! The crux of the matter is that the only cash cows around are Mayweather and Pacquiao, and if neither are willing to face each other (for now), the above 5 guys are IMO credible and acceptable opponents for them to fight in the meantime, whether the weight is from 140 to 154. All good match-ups, but not good enough on which to end their careers. They'd still have to sign a deal eventually.

    Others such as the winner of Cotto-Foreman, however, aren't acceptable in the slightest. Pacquiao already demolished Cotto, and would only be fighting the light-hitting Foreman for the purpose of getting a trinket (from his point of view) at an eighth weight class. Khan, too, wouldn't mean much because he's still way too green and was stopped by a considerably lesser fighter. Margarito is nothing and doesn't deserve the payday. I won't give them any credit for beating the aforementioned 'consolation prizes'.

    All in all, I've gone from wanting this fight badly to not giving a damn - mainly due to the fact that it's been a loaded past 4 months, and the testing bull**** has put me off (with both being in the wrong IMO) - and back to giving a damn again. Right now I'm really pumped for it to be made, and who to start giving the edge in pre-fight analysis. I'll post a breakdown of the potential fight another time, but I'll end this mini-essay with the statement I made above - on the part of both there will too many lingering, unanswered questions if they retire without fighting each other. They'll be dogged for the rest of their lives.

    It simply must happen.
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    #2
    Originally posted by PittyPat
    OK, now would be the time to finally break my silence on what I really think about the making of this fight. Despite what some people say, neither fighter needs the other more. I'm convinced that they both need each other (but not the money) just the same, in order to finish their careers properly. Let me explain...

    If Pacquiao retires without fighting Mayweather, the question will forever follow him - could he have beaten the undefeated former p4p #1 he displaced in the rankings by default? He's done a lot in his career and is a surefire HOF'er, but that question would never leave his side from real boxing fans. The only ones who claim it wouldn't matter are his stans or apologists (i.e. those who count the De La Hoya win as something meaningful).

    Likewise if Mayweather retires without fighting Pacquiao, people will bring up the question to haunt his ass forever - could he have beaten the p4p #1 guy who displaced him whilst he was away? He, too, has achieved good things in his career and is also a shoo-in for HOF status, but no real boxing fan would ever let him forget that he never fought the crazy Pinoy southpaw who tore through all those divisions like a maniac.

    So besides each other, the only legit opponents available to them are the following...


    Berto - the last remaining true WW, and is undefeated. Both beat him easily.

    Martinez - king of LMW and MW, and extremely dangerous because of his physical advantages over both fellas. IMO, the most risky fight there is. I'd love it!

    Williams - a highly active punching machine without (overtly, anyway) much power to worry them. I'm still undecided as to whether he beats either of them.

    Bradley - undefeated co-king of LWW, but without much power to worry them.

    Alexander - undefeated co-king of LWW, with oodles of power and speed.


    Granted, none of them are huge names - but nobody else is! The crux of the matter is that the only cash cows around are Mayweather and Pacquiao, and if neither are willing to face each other (for now), the above 5 guys are IMO credible and acceptable opponents for them to fight in the meantime, whether the weight is from 140 to 154. All good match-ups, but not good enough on which to end their careers. They'd still have to sign a deal eventually.

    Others such as the winner of Cotto-Foreman, however, aren't acceptable in the slightest. Pacquiao already demolished Cotto, and would only be fighting the light-hitting Foreman for the purpose of getting a trinket (from his point of view) at an eighth weight class. Khan, too, wouldn't mean much because he's still way too green and was stopped by a considerably lesser fighter. Margarito is nothing and doesn't deserve the payday. I won't give them any credit for beating the aforementioned 'consolation prizes'.

    All in all, I've gone from wanting this fight badly to not giving a damn - mainly due to the fact that it's been a loaded past 4 months, and the testing bull**** has put me off (with both being in the wrong IMO) - and back to giving a damn again. Right now I'm really pumped for it to be made, and who to start giving the edge in pre-fight analysis. I'll post a breakdown of the potential fight another time, but I'll end this mini-essay with the statement I made above - on the part of both there will too many lingering, unanswered questions if they retire without fighting each other. They'll be dogged for the rest of their lives.

    It simply must happen.
    You're dead to me.

    Margarito is and always has been innocent and there's no reason why he shouldn't be fighting in big fights as long as he continues to win.

    PittyPat, I hate you!!!


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    • PittyPat
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      #3
      Originally posted by Jack Burton
      You're dead to me.

      Margarito is and always has been innocent and there's no reason why he shouldn't be fighting in big fights as long as he continues to win.

      PittyPat, I hate you!!!
      Nah man, you've got me wrong - I was all eager for his return (as you already knew), but I found that fight to be a load of **** because of the atrocious reffing, and the supposedly "new and improved" way Margs fought. I loathed every minute after the fourth round.

      He has no business being in the ring with Mayweather or Pacquiao. I'll become a full-on Pac-hater if Uncle Bob ever sets up Margs with the latter.

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        #4
        Originally posted by PittyPat
        Nah man, you've got me wrong - I was all eager for his return (as you already knew), but I found that fight to be a load of **** because of the atrocious reffing, and the supposedly "new and improved" way Margs fought. I loathed every minute after the fourth round.

        He has no business being in the ring with Mayweather or Pacquiao. I'll become a full-on Pac-hater if Uncle Bob ever sets up him with Margs.
        The reffing was bad towards both guys, he didn't let them fight on the inside at all.

        But aside from that, I don't understand your reasoning. He only lost 1 fight to Mosley and prior to that he was the man at WW.

        1 loss shouldn't be the nail in the coffin, especially if he continues to win. This guy was a top 5 WW for 10 years so it seems a bit premature to write him off after 1 loss to a future hof'amer.

        Pac/Tony is a great fight and would generate much more interest and fan anticipation than Mayweather would.

        The Mayweather fight is an HBO construct.

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          #5
          **** became a Margarito thread....****in Dap

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            pretty good post pat.........why no margo in the mix?.......he's a lot more dangerous than berto and one of the few who could spank sergio again......alex and brad needs to fight eachother to deserve a shot imo.....actually bradley is more deserving than alexander!

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              #7
              Originally posted by Makavelli
              **** became a Margarito thread....****in Dap

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              • Dick Buffman
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                #8
                Originally posted by Makavelli
                **** became a Margarito thread....****in Dap
                Yeah because the front page doesn't already have 1 million threads on mayweather/pac.




                Back to Pitty.

                Pitty, I'm saying that if Margarito fights and beats the Cotto/Foreman winner and gets a strap at 54', isn't that enough to merit a showdown?

                I mean, what does he have to do in your eyes to get the fight?

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                  Nice post. I agree with the fact that they both need eachother equally especially if they hope to hold a legacy. This is the only fight that the general public will remember them by.
                  The American media (I chose them because I suspect the US is where the fight will take place) has not really followed either fighter very closely in their previous fight, but this fight would grab headlines in mainstream newspapers, television programs, etc. This is something neither fighter has been able to do in comparision with fighters of yesteryear like Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, etc.

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                  • PittyPat
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by baracuda
                    why no margo in the mix?.......he's a lot more dangerous than berto and one of the few who could spank sergio again......
                    I think Berto would outspeed him and hug him to death. He has big time power, too - something which Margs looks to be lacking lately. And I think Martinez would absolutely clown him now. It would be worse than the Pavlik beatdown.

                    Originally posted by Jack Burton
                    Pitty, I'm saying that if Margarito fights and beats the Cotto/Foreman winner and gets a strap at 54', isn't that enough to merit a showdown?

                    I mean, what does he have to do in your eyes to get the fight?
                    That would certainly merit it but, if he gets launched straight into the main event spotlight against Pacquiao this November, I will be livid. He has done nothing whatsoever to warrant that spot. I'm no fan of Berto (I can't stand watching him), but he's done faaaaaaar more to earn a shot against either cash cow.

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